As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Feyona]

you can also talk about effort as well, the reason why ast wasnt doing damage cos not bothered to meld accuracy anot even bothered to work on getting anima. I know we were still learning but 40% active on dps and only 200 or so dps. Is really bad. Thats maybe what should be called crap, but still favoured cos spent half the time in cleric. Well just shows to me how much more honess is put on whether healer dpses or not. But is it right to be called a terrible healer if you dont dps?

[Lambdafish]

you can also talk about effort as well, the reason why ast wasnt doing damage cos not bothered to meld accuracy anot even bothered to work on getting anima. I know we were still learning but 40% active on dps and only 200 or so dps. Is really bad. Thats maybe what should be called crap, but still favoured cos spent half the time in cleric. Well just shows to me how much more honess is put on whether healer dpses or not. But is it right to be called a terrible healer if you dont dps?

You have that backwards, the AST wasn't doing badly because they were DPSing, they were doing badly because they were doing badly (at both healing and DPSing). Please acknowledge the fact that everyone here has said that healing comes first, and once you have that you start looking for gaps to DPS. If their gear was poor, and they were missing accuracy, then they were performing both roles poorly, and that has nothing to do with DPS being part of the meta.

[era1Ne]

Hmm, sounds like a combination of low gear and poor cooldown management. He likely tried cheesing mechanics by dropping tank stance. I also call into question what exactly your co-healer was doing. Scholar should provide support healing, not be the designated main healer. WHM/AST have much better pure healing capabilities whereas SCH mitigates. Even at ilvl 250, that shouldn't have been as much of an issue. If this is the group that blamed you, they're bad. It has nothing to do with the DPS meta or community expectations. So I don't get why you've spent so much time fighting against them.

Depends on the situation really, because every healer has advantage and disadvantage in different circumstances. For example, letting the scholar spreading dots and then let the ast/whm spam gravity or holy on a big add group is a raid dmg gain, since both skills have an much higher potency then blizzard II. As for healing the scholar can heal a lot with the eos alone and should do so, if you want to play efficiently. Indom is also an insanely aoe heal skill and should be used sometimes, when the fairy isn't enough and your co-healer dmg would be higher than yours in the situation. You lose 150 potency for using the aether for indom, but your co healer makes up for it, since even the worst useful dmg skills have a potency of 200 or 210. While indom is instant, has no mp cost by itself and an higher potency (400) than helios or medica (both 300). Ouf course you lose the mana you would've get from using ed, so be careful.

Everyone plays differently and in the past i played the main-/offheal meta, since i believe you should do what works best in your group and as a team. But if you want to get the most out of the group, you should think about healers as co-healers, working together dealing dmg, heal and migrate dmg with the rest of the group. Even dd can help here.

[Judge_Xero]

I think I recall tank dropping from full heath to almost zero in two consecutive swipes.
All I saw was tank losing health continuosly. Ok looking at parser embrace did 186.8k I did 2.298k hps 33% overheal.
I healed 1.06 milion altogether. 98.58% active.
Ast was 40% on damage did 283 damage, 720k healing 45% overheal, but Im the one that was kicked simply because I wasnt dpsing. Maybe you can see whats wrong with that.
I can, but fair enough they wanted a dps healer, doent change the fact I was kicked for not dpsing though.

Stuffs

Healing
SCH and Pet Healing
Tank Damage 640k or 1380 DTPS
Closer look at Tank Damage (Tank Damage closer look)

3k Auto attack @ 3s intervals followed by Scrap (~6400 damage) and the occasional Scrapline which has a castbar and is the tank buster and only hit 3 times the entire
fight for an average of 13k. So the most any combination of hits could do is almost 20k over 2 seconds so just precast a heal during the cast bar for Scrapline
and refresh the regen.

largest hit Largest combined hit

The AST could have kept up more Regen but there was so much overheal going out they may have just decided not to.

To summarize.
Tank Damage 1370 per/s - Largest single hit 13k. Largest combined hit over 5 seconds 20k
Fairy Embrace - 2400 HP/3s @ 800 HPS without ever using Rouse.
AST Regen 600 HPS @ 1600/tick + 2400 per cast

The tank can live a long time without heals. For example here's the first 75 seconds of the fight

MT Damage 75 seconds in

The tank took 82,300 Damage. The pet can heal 2400+ damage per heal @ 3 seconds @ i250 (25 heals in 75 seconds @ 2400 per heal = 60k)

So without anyone but the pet healing the tank would have only dropped to 7,700k HP given they start with 30k (82,300 - 60,000 = 22,300) -> 30,000 - 22,300 = 7,700

So I just find it hard to believe this tank was so difficult to heal that they required constant Adlo, Lustrates and Physic.

--------------------------> I do see that the pet had a very low # of heals though, so either it wasn't in range of the tank or the tank was contently topped so the pet never got to do it's free heals.

[Feyona]

Stuffs
[HG]
Healing
taken&source=2&start=6926657&end=6940587"]Closer look at Tank Damage[/URL] (Tank Damage closer look)

3k Auto attack @ 3s intervals followed by Scrap (~6400 damage) and the occasional Scrapline which has a castbar and is the tank buster and only hit 3 times the entire
fight for an average of 13k. So the most any combination of hits could do is almos

largest hit Largest combined hit
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I was main heal on sch. This is just one logs the first one I came to. Thats story mode judge not savage. I was talking a9s. Perhaps it was my fault for not specifically saying in my post clear enough those figures are for refurbisher savage. I was main healer theorhetically, though, why is the ast over healing by 45% when OH is only supposed to heal when necessary. Tbh no one at the time cared about overhealing though we just wanted clear and all hungry for loot. Yes theres variables I just gave that to illustrate my point I was kicked out of choice cos I didnt dps as meta dictates. I will say as well your posts are informative and something to aspire to for improvement I was still in the process of learning raiding and dps. We wernt geeky about it was just casual for clear

[Judge_Xero]

Thats story mode judge not savage. I was talking a9s. I was main healer theorhetically, though, why is the ast over healing by 45% when OH is only supposed to heal when necessary. I will say as well your posts are informative and something to aspire to for improvement I was still in the process of learning raiding and dps. We wernt geeky about it was just casual for clear

This is your A9S log with the AST @ 283 DPS as you stated.

I'm glad you find my posts informative as that's what I was going for.

I think the AST over healing was high because their regens have significantly more potency than SCH heals. So if they cast Aspected Helios after acid rain and you spam Succor to heal everyone and not give the regens time to tick (since no one will be taking aoe damage for a long time) then it gives them a ton of over healing and burns all your MP.

[Feyona]

This is your A9S log with the AST @ 283 DPS as you stated.

I'm glad you find my posts informative as that's what I was going for.

I think the AST over healing was high because their regens have significantly more potency than SCH heals. So if they cast Aspected Helios after acid rain and you spam Succor to heal everyone and not give the regens time to tick (since no one will be taking aoe damage for a long time) then it gives them a ton of over healing and burns all your MP.

Thank you thats something to think about as we improve and get better. Always have a tendency to overheal succor, im learning to ease off. But im ast now in raids.

[Judge_Xero]

Thank you thats something to think about as we improve and get better. Always have a tendency to overheal succor, im learning to ease off. But im ast now in raids.

As scary as it seems at first to see HP values dip and increase a whole bunch you gotta trust in your regens and cohealers fairy. Once you have a good grasp on your healing abilities you may start to see those dps windows easier. I understand that you like a laid back and casual approach but that doesn't mean you have to be bad.

[Feyona]

As scary as it seems at first to see HP values dip and increase a whole bunch you gotta trust in your regens and cohealers fairy. Once you have a good grasp on your healing abilities you may start to see those dps windows easier. I understand that you like a laid back and casual approach but that doesn't mean you have to be bad.

I do and Im in the process of easing up on heals in general. Still have to heal the tank quite alot on that fight though. Maybe it just seems like it. I know if im healing the group more or something have to keep on tank, seems more than your numbers suggest. But my co heal is usually dpsing. Its just so much easier to think of topping everyone up so that nothing kills them, and I guess thats the way Ive approached it. While learning a fight I seem to have too much to think about at first to deal with. So insurance that we clear while Im having to learn mechanics I do over heal.

[Lambdafish]

I do and Im in the process of easing up on heals in general. Still have to heal the tank quite alot on that fight though. Maybe it just seems like it. I know if im healing the group more or something have to keep on tank, seems more than your numbers suggest. But my co heal is usually dpsing. Its just so much easier to think of topping everyone up so that nothing kills them, and I guess thats the way Ive approached it. While learning a fight I seem to have too much to think about at first to deal with. So insurance that we clear while Im having to learn mechanics I do over heal.

Honestly, this is a back and forth between you and the tank as much as anything. I know if I were in that situation I would pop one of my lesser used cooldowns (bulwark or foresight), or if I know I won't need it, I'll use rampart. Fights are very predictable and you can usually anticipate incoming damage. Although what usually happens is that if I do go really low, benediction/lustrate etc. are enough. Communicate with your tank as well as your co-healer, they might be able to shed some light on where they feel they don't need as many heals.