As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Feyona]

There you go.
No stance dancing. No heals needed. Not. A. Single. One. From. Him.
How is that pressure? He literally just had to go into cleric and put/renew DOTs and throw ruin/broil.


Noone messed up. It was a super smooth run, with incredibly high DPS, everyone was giving their best. Except SCH, who just idled around or casted unnecessary physicks which ended up in 100% overheal. -> Nice!

No I had no intention of attacking you at all, in fact the opposite where people are saying that there was no evidence of non dps healers being kicked. If there were no heals necessary its a different thing. I will apologise though for stating it. In my experience some do need both healers to heal often if tank is in dps stance. Or people fail mechics alot. I did not have any bad intentions in it, was just statement that it happens. I think where Im coming from is I feel people may be uncomfortable with going in cleric, full stop, especially in new content. I do realise that maybe none of you have this attitude that consciousy puts pressure on I just think people may exprience what is demanded in different ways.

[AmeliaVerves]

In my experience some do need both healers to heal often if tank is in dps stance. Or people fail mechics alot. I did not have any bad intentions in it, was just statement that it happens. I think where Im coming from is I feel people may be uncomfortable with going in cleric, full stop, especially in new content.

You took what I said out of context, to fit your needs and to call me out.
"Look at her! She kicked a non DPSing Healer! There you go! People do stuff like that! The pressure is real!"
Furthermore you totally ignored the circumstances and even turned them?!
It was a farm group. No new content. We were a high skilled group with no failed mechanics. And the SCH still refused to DPS. He didn't even try. He stood there and said: "No, I will not use Cleric Stance, because I am a Healer and I am supposed to heal."
I did not insult. I did not harrass. I told him he is free to play like that, but not in my very own group and so I asked him to leave. He refused that aswell, so I kicked.

Please tell me, how is that pressure? If you join a farm group, you should not need to learn anything at all. You should be very good in what you do.
People do mistakes and are not perfect, that is fine, so don't try to turn what I said to pick on that.

And please, don't take that out of context again to make it fit your needs.

[Feyona]

You took what I said out of context, to fit your needs and to call me out.

Furthermore you totally ignored the circumstances and even turned them?!
It was a farm group. No new content. We were a high skilled group with no failed mechanics. And the SCH still refused to DPS. He didn't even try. He stood there and said: "No, I will not use Cleric Stance, because I am a Healer and I am supposed to heal."

I already apolgized and stated that I said it because people here were saying no one here kicks non dpsing healers. It was not meant in anyway negative towards you at all. The guy refusing to dps on principal he roled as healer. While I understand healer dps is expected in farms that is the whole or some measure the point of my argument. He was not harrassed no, or insulted even, but excluded therefore this does create pressure to dps as healer.

[AmeliaVerves]

He was not harrassed no, or insulted even, but excluded therefore this does create pressure to dps as healer.

Well then, if you can't handle others being better than you and therefore excluding you from their groups, don't join PF groups.

It's not me, or good players putting pressure on you and others. You are doing that to yourself, because you feel in need of rising up to the same level of skill. People being not as skilled as others is totally fine, noone forces you to improve, it's all up you to let that get to you or not.
Maybe I was harsh, possible, and even though I was not nice I was still polite and gave him the chance. Like... what the hell, he could have had 2 hours of farming Zurvan and literally being 'carried' all the way and all he had to do for that was staying in cleric and putting DoTs!!! How. Is. That. Pressure?!
Everyone was so focused on maximizing, nobody would have noticed if he would have been super bad at dpsing and even if, noone would have cared, because all we wanted was him at least trying and showing some will to put effort.

So please stop talking about 'pressure', while all of that just happens in your mind, because you had some d***bags thinking they were super pro while they were absolutely not.
If you feel like you can't live up to a groups expectations just tell them. "Hey guys, I feel like I can't keep up with you and therefore would like to leave so I can find a group that suits me better and you can find someone fitting in better. Thanks, have a nice day and good luck on your way." Then leave and open up a PF saying what you level of skill is and find others who are at same level. It's not too hard to communicate with others.

That's kinda character assassination tbh. I haven't seen anything from him to indicate that kind of attitude. Setting standards is miles away from forcing someone to do something.

This whole thing is a lot of:

"You shouldn't force healers to dps."

"Fine, no one is forcing them."

"But they're forcing them in savage. They don't have to dps to savage."

"Okay? They don't have to, but if the group wants them to, they should?"

"Well they wanted me to so I did, but they shouldn't have to."

"They don't have to."

"Stop forcing them."

What do you think would be a productive result of this discussion? Because I'm not seeing a way to get there from here.

Exactly what I was thinking. xD
I am just sitting here, reading last few pages and being like: "Eh... Wait... What?!"