Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[NaesakiAshwell]

- Trying to resurrect them as SMN because our healers' swiftcast was on cooldown, only to see them die immediately afterwards? [✔]

This so much, I had to hard cast res 4 healers in a single fight once, cause for some reason one of the healers deemed their swiftcast had to be reserved for stoneskin and the other healers just didn't seem to use it ever.

[SeriousxSarcasm]

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I am going to give the benefit of the doubt and assume you were not intentionally intending to be as offensive as I found that.


A) I said healing was simple. Not easy. (which coincidentally mirrors your own view). I have immense respect for healers with the skill/confidence to put out big numbers.

B) I used the example of one instance where it is a pain in the butt to have things die early. You know nothing about me, my playstyle, or how much effort I've put into trying to optimize it. Nowhere did I question your own competance, so I will thank you to not assume that I am stupid enough to not know how to prioritize damage.

C) because yes. I do not have a healer past 50. Because I have spent the last year and 5 months obsessively practicing my SMN every day of it. Am I perfect? No, but I do try my best.

D) A DD does not lightly abandon their rotation in order to get out SOME kind of damage. Every skill I have to skip hurts because I know it's a couple hundred points down the drain.. but again priorities must be met. Missing Deathflare because I desperately want to wait for a second Painflare doesn't make any sense but it does mean that I'm not getting to full potential.

Sorry I know I have more points, but at work. Don't have time til later lol.

[Faliandra]

I am going to give the benefit of the doubt and assume you were not intentionally intending to be as offensive as I found that.


A) I said healing was simple. Not easy. (which coincidentally mirrors your own view). I have immense respect for healers with the skill/confidence to put out big numbers.

B) I used the example of one instance where it is a pain in the butt to have things die early. You know nothing about me, my playstyle, or how much effort I've put into trying to optimize it. Nowhere did I question your own competance, so I will thank you to not assume that I am stupid enough to not know how to prioritize damage.

C) because yes. I do not have a healer past 50. Because I have spent the last year and 5 months obsessively practicing my SMN every day of it. Am I perfect? No, but I do try my best.

D) A DD does not lightly abandon their rotation in order to get out SOME kind of damage. Every skill I have to skip hurts because I know it's a couple hundred points down the drain.. but again priorities must be met. Missing Deathflare because I desperately want to wait for a second Painflare doesn't make any sense but it does mean that I'm not getting to full potential.

Sorry I know I have more points, but at work. Don't have time til later lol.

I went back to reread my post and found nothing offensive about it? Sorry you feel that way, but your "you know nothing about me blah blah"
comes off far more agressive. All I did was commenting on your last 2-3 posts, not necessarily only on what I quoted you on. I suppose its the last part of my post stating that you should also not judge healers when you havent really played any seriously. All I did was telling you that it works both ways because you were the first one to say that theres many healers who dont play dps complain about them.

If you say theres nothing you can do if you miss out on Deathflare cos the healer holy'd too much, then you're wrong. It's simple as that.
Theres no questioning here. I play SMN quite a bit and my ingame hubby mains it so we play together all the time and he doesnt have issues with that at all.
Theres several different openers, maybe youre using the wrong ones at the wrong time. I'm not judging you as a general player, I am simply stating that
a miscalculation on your part doesnt mean there "was nothing you could do". Simple.

SMN rotation for dungeons on trash packs is pretty flexible and should not be compared to an actual boss rotation, and if you wanna tell me that skipping Painflare (200 potency AoE)
hurts more than missing out on death flare (400 potency AoE)..........well...........then I dont know what to say. It doesnt surprise me that the healer ends up being
above you in dps.
Im not even doubting youre not doing your best, I just feel indeed like youre not prioritizing things as needed.


Again,there is no intended offensiveness in here, I'm just commenting on your previous posts and I think you're wrong with some stuff. I am actually always appreciating input from other healers because I also often feel I could be even better, so insight from others can always be a good thing...unless youre on the "I play how I want" side of things.

[Hikuras]

stuff I couldn't fit T.T

Text is a hard thing to guess mood from. We should sue text and take it to court.

[RenAshdoll]

Imho, for dungeon runs, since most of the time I queued solo into roulettes, I have to learn to be more flexible when playing as a smn according to how fast the mob dies i.e. whether to use contagion, not using quickflare for a 2nd bane etc.. all part and parcel of being a dps.

It should be fairly easy for a healer to pull ahead of a dps for trash mobs especially those that hit the floor fast.

[RenAshdoll]

This recent debate/talk has got me thinking, we're all seen people say DPS is simple and is barely any work. But I have a friend who only plays DPS - monk- and recently tried astro. He DPS on his astro every chance he gets and unless it's a raid he's pretty relaxed about it. this is to say he plays astro when he doesn't want to think and plays monk when he wants to go ham. He mains monk. I'll ask him later today which role does he think is harder. I think DPS as a whole might be easier, but the way he plays monk... I can't do the shit he pulls off on that class. :O

It's more of which role/job that the player is comfortable with. For example, I am more comfortable with burning, slashing and giving plagues to enemies than to heal injuries and exorcise mobs.

[Urthdigger]

Tanked a Dun Scaith where my group had 1 bard and 4 casters. The bard wasn't the highest dps but I didn't care because he had foes running almost all the time and always gave me warden's paean right after I used beserk without ever asking for it. I guess, my expectations are set so low that a bard actually using his skills impresses the hell out of me. At the end, I was pretty much telling the group to give him the commendations.

Doing mechanics and using your skills well goes far more towards me giving a commendation that being top dps.

This recent debate/talk has got me thinking, we're all seen people say DPS is simple and is barely any work. But I have a friend who only plays DPS - monk- and recently tried astro. He DPS on his astro every chance he gets and unless it's a raid he's pretty relaxed about it. this is to say he plays astro when he doesn't want to think and plays monk when he wants to go ham. He mains monk. I'll ask him later today which role does he think is harder. I think DPS as a whole might be easier, but the way he plays monk... I can't do the shit he pulls off on that class. :O

Healer has the highest minimum to do content since the party will wipe if you're not doing well, whereas DPS can usually hide behind the other DPS. However, to be a GOOD DPS takes a lot more skill than being a good healer, IMO. I main healer, and while I'm alright at DPS classes I don't trust myself to do them for serious content.

[Silverquick]

Shielded by premade:

I was wondering why stuff was not dying like it should be in this expert I was in and I was watching the SMN since that is my only other job on this chracter and trying to learn it better. The person went to DT then deathflare without doing anything else. So I asked about it and they said something of the lines of I do not care. So I said but it is a DPS loss. They said I do not care. So then I said how about if I just DPS and not heal because I do not care? ( I used their exact line though) they told me do what you want so I wanted kick them for being rude like that and uncooperative. Being premade though ofc it is blocked..

I can already answer that question... because its an easy one... I don't know about this guy you're thinking of because I wasnt there..

....but if you do see a SMN hitting his Deathflare without the customary Ruin 3 spam and you're in a Raid or an EX... its probably because he'd damn tired of the Boss going invulnerable or disappearing the minute he hits DWT... its the most frustrating thing as a SMN.

Deathflare and DWT is a use it or lose it, you only have so much time... and its happened to me a million times in those... Hit DWT... start spamming Ruin 3... just about to hit Deathflare to blow my wad... and Bingo... Boss goes INV. You just want to slap that boss mob silly.

And for a SMN 10% more damage on 4-5 Ruin 3s does not make up for the DPS loss of losing a Deathflare/TeraFlare. You can always spam Ruin 3 after the Deathflare, but you can't get use a Deathflare on the Boss when he goes invulnerable and your timer to use it runs out. So you tend to Burst your Deathflare early when you suspect the Boss is close to doing that.

The Second place you tend to see a SMN doing it... just like the WHMs posting before you said...

....the SMN does insane amounts of AoE damage on Trash mobs... so when you're clearing Trash Mobs you get into those shoes again... if the other DPS partner does any AoE damage at all just your Painflares, Bane DoTs, and Deathflare are going to wipe out a 6-10 mob spread, and whatever is left you can burn down with Ruin 3s. But once again.. .your Deathflare is on a timer... use it or lose it... and 10% more on other things isn't going to make up for the loss of a Deathflare. in your DPS...

Yes... we know that in THEORY... and on paper you SHOULD spam your Ruin 3s before using your Deathflare to maximize damage... but reality of the combat situation doesn't always play itself out the way it does on paper... If you spam your Ruin 3s but never get to use the Deathflare... you lose DPS anyway. So you try to Use up that 10% bonus damage during that timer... but if it comes right down to it... you blow your Deathflare early before you lose the ability to do it.

There's your answer.

[Lunaxia]

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Healing and healer DPS in 90% of the content in this game is laughably easy, and comparing stance-dancing, using OGCDs and pre-empting heals (standard playing for any halfway competent healer) to the restraints and difficulties of DPS timers vis-a-vis constantly pushing out optimum damage output against mechanics is a bit embarrassing tbh.

[Mysterysword]

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This, oh-so-much. I have all 3 healer jobs at 60, along with 2 tanks and 5 DPS jobs. Being a decent tank/healer/DPS is easy. Being a really good tank/healer is easy. Being a really good DPS is hard as hell.

How many buffs do I have to juggle while DPSing as a healer? One.

How many buffs do I have to juggle while DPSing as BLM? Anywhere between 2 to 4, depending on where I am in my rotation.