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    Everyone who forces the rest of the group to bend to them is a jerk, speedrun or chest run.

    If the majority of the group wants speed, you speedrun. You've been outvoted.

    If the majority of the group wants chests, you grab chests. You've been outvoted.

    Majority rules in matchmade parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonseth07 View Post
    Everyone who forces the rest of the group to bend to them is a jerk, speedrun or chest run.

    If the majority of the group wants speed, you speedrun. You've been outvoted.

    If the majority of the group wants chests, you grab chests. You've been outvoted.

    Majority rules in matchmade parties.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

    1>3 if that one needs silvers. DF is not for speed running or forcing that on people, if you are not in PF, do not expect speedrunning. A person should be free to peak and try find silvers if they need to. This is tranny of the majority because you are picking on someone and inhibiting of their progress.

    Also what happens with 2 v 2? funny how this is never addressed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alistaire View Post
    They're doing you a favor even if you don't realise it. Faster runs = more runs = more silver, even if you don't get every silver chest available in one particular run.
    That is not how it works. That is only an argument when some room is very hard to get to. I am sure chest runners know when something is worth trying and not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Naunet View Post
    My husband and I were doing PotD when it released with a friend of ours but then he quit and we never got around to going back to it... :\ This is the main reason I'm reluctant to get back into it now. We got to like...45-50 and I doubt anyone wants our noob butts. >_<
    Ya be fine, just talk about it. If someone harasses ya over being new just kick em, that simple. If they are that elitist, be doin them a favor anyway.
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    Last edited by Ama_Hamada; 04-21-2017 at 07:44 AM.

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    Have you even read the link yourself before posting it?

    As per the subsidiary principle, every group makes their own local decision, there is no governance body to make a global one. That in turn means that the majority cannot enforce the rule to speedrun, because you can just make a group yourself that sets the rule to get chests instead. There is no centralization excess. There is no abandonment of rationality either, because the decision to speedrun is a rational one.

    You're literally shooting your argument in the foot by posting that link, because it proves that there is in fact no tyranny of the majority happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    Have you even read the link yourself before posting it?

    As per the subsidiary principle, every group makes their own local decision, there is no governance body to make a global one. That in turn means that the majority cannot enforce the rule to speedrun, because you can just make a group yourself that sets the rule to get chests instead. There is no centralization excess. There is no abandonment of rationality either, because the decision to speedrun is a rational one.

    You're literally shooting your argument in the foot by posting that link, because it proves that there is in fact no tyranny of the majority happening.
    If you say so, think what you want, but it is wrong.
    Saying you need speedrun because the majority wants to fits the definition, and even pressured on these forums saying you need to PF to be a chest runner, sorry DF is not for speedrunning, stop impeding on chest runner progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada View Post
    sorry DF is not for speedrunning, stop impeding on chest runner progress.
    You don't get to decide what DF is for. The community as a whole does. And similarly, I can say "stop impeding on speedrunner progress".

    Majority rule is fair when you have 4 random people, because everyone's experience is equally valuable. My goal is no less or more important than yours.
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