Why everyone wants do PotD speed run?

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Well. The question is.Why people wants speed run EVERY SINGLE THING in the game?

If you ask me, at some point the playerbase accepted "speed" as a measure of how skilled the group is. Sure, performing your role/job well usually does make things go faster, but that's like saying you're "skilled" because you can down Garuda Ex in under 2 minutes now. Speedrunning itself isn't an issue if everyone's intent on doing it and primed to do so.

But I'll be brutally honest: Speedrunning, the "I just wanna get it done and over with so I can move on to other things" mindset, and the "DF mentality" are the reason we have boring, faceroll "Expert" dungeons now. Someone mentioned before that no one bothers with side rooms, and they detract from exploring the dungeon. . . Are you really "exploring" when you're just trying to beeline for the exit? Conjecture, I know, but really think about that. You want interesting dungeons, you want worthwhile loot, but you "just wanna get it done and over with", thus speedrunning becomes the implied standard. . . I dunno man. Something's got to give there.

I'll level with you though, PotD isn't exactly the most interesting content after the first time, even if it is the best way to level, and maybe some of us - myself included - don't really have that much time to fully explore, and thus are not 99/99. But speedrunning, at least as a forced standard, really seems the big reason so much sub-raid, endgame content is mind-numbingly easy which drives people to want to blaze through it, which makes devs continue to make content mind-numbingly easy, which. . . get the idea?

Oh, and the "make a PF for what you want" argument is flat, lame, and needs to just go away. How about just, oh I dunno, communicating and being civil/compromising toward one another when matched randomly in the DF. Crazy concept, I know. But you'd be amazed how far a little kindness and consideration might get you.

Like i said I DON'T LIKE PVP, so stop trying to force me to play PvP when i don't wan't play PvP.

Let me first clarify that I'm in no way picking on you. But I wanted to expand on this just a bit, as a PvPer. You say you've never tried it, but you don't like it? I'm assuming PvP in other games perhaps, yes? That's fine and there's nothing wrong with not being interested, but I will say that it'd be unfair to simply write it off based on experiences from another game. At the same time, for us PvPers, this is a bit of a sensitive topic, similar to how you may be sensitive about your efforts to progress going overlooked.

Forever ago, people just decided - without trying it - that FFXIV PvP was bad (I'll admit, it's not perfect, but I enjoy it), full of toxic players just looking to ruin your day, and "a waste of development resources". For those of us that actually did step in and found something we love, we've been stuck dealing with that terrible stigma that we know is largely untrue, but without getting people to actually, legitimately try, we have nothing to offer when slammed with the burden of proof. It literally becomes our word vs theirs. A small community's experience vs the larger body's word of mouth. . . Countless times I've heard someone just easily rattle off untrue statements about PvP, yet I can literally see and hear the switch turn off in people's heads the moment I mention my actual experiences. Again, no one HAS to like it, and I'm not looking to sway your opinion on it, but the issue is people just unilaterally dislike it without even trying. As I said before, it's a sensitive subject for us.

[Nixxe]

Forever ago, people just decided - without trying it - that FFXIV PvP was bad (I'll admit, it's not perfect, but I enjoy it)

I mean, I took one look at how the game handled and what the abilities were like and figured it would be pretty terrible. Actually trying it confirmed my suspicions. I'll do it to get gear, but it's really not enjoyable.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

But I'll be brutally honest: Speedrunning, the "I just wanna get it done and over with so I can move on to other things" mindset, and the "DF mentality" are the reason we have boring, faceroll "Expert" dungeons now. Someone mentioned before that no one bothers with side rooms, and they detract from exploring the dungeon. . . Are you really "exploring" when you're just trying to beeline for the exit? Conjecture, I know, but really think about that. You want interesting dungeons, you want worthwhile loot, but you "just wanna get it done and over with", thus speedrunning becomes the implied standard. . . I dunno man. Something's got to give there.

To be fair, what incentives are there to exploration? You cannot just slap some branching pathways into a dungeon design only to throw up your hands when no one bothers looking. Even those who do show interest will do it once or twice, then what? Why explore something you've already seen, especially if it doesn't offer anything worthwhile? All of this is further compounded by the fact we only have two dungeons to run per patch. No matter what the devs do, those dungeons will grow stale. People speedrun now just for efficiency but because there is no incentive not to. When the devs treat content like busy work, people will respond to it as such. Right now, that's all dungeons are after one or two runs: busy work.

[Kacho_Nacho]

I group with my fellow Freelance Wanderers when I want to hunt for silver chests. We politely let the other member(s) of the light party know we are going to be looking for silvers because our aetherpools or low. Never had a problem.

It helps that my friends and I tend to joke around and banter back and forth. It makes the slightly longer runs fun. People start joking too, and the next thing they know, they're looking at the boss.

[ToniRomo]

I'd rather just speedrun to level quicker. It's easier to just grab a 260 Shire weapon then bother with getting +90/90.

[Ama_Hamada]

No i don't know nothing about green tokens, in fact it's my first time even hearing about green tokens.

Well SORRY if i'm WORST player in whole game who can't get past Alexander - The Cuff of the Son raid, so STOP making FUN from it when i never was good on end game part of FFXIV and even in FFXIV ARR i never able beat The Binding Coil of Bahamut Turn 5 raid.So there is no point using party finder to beat Alexander - The Cuff of the Son raid when i always cause wipe no matter how i try to beat Alexander - The Cuff of the Son.

The reason why i'm talking about ilvl weapons are for OTHER jobs that i havent got to lvl 60 yet and i only have ilvl weapon for my summoner and i better weapon in some point.
Like i said I DON'T LIKE PVP, so stop trying to force me to play PvP when i don't wan't play PvP.

I know i can make ilvl 275 relic weapon but there is one problem, it takes really long to get it and i already used around 1 month doing first anima relic weapon for my main and i'm still on part where i need get umbrites and crystal sand.

Let me tell you something, i am TRYING all my best so stop saying that i'm a lazy player when i'm not.

So if you want i can stop playing FFXIV completely.

first off it is not just you, it is you and 7 other people. To me you simply wiped once and complained about it, that is not how you do things. One person does not cause that to fail, so in the end I am just confused with why you having so much trouble. Bloody said it well, I am confused as heck how you are ranting about not doing something that is ilevel min 200 and your 263 or w/e. You really ... I mean.. I did it without knowing its like.. I heal and people do what you need to do.

Honestly I am on your side for the most part, people should let you get chests, see my comment to the next person. I am just trying to give you tools and ideas of alternative ways. In 2 months it is not even going to matter.

So your basic argument is you should be allowed to get chests in deep correct? I agree. I just can't understand though how someone can't get 1 relic, when I am going to do so in the next too weeks from past build up of simply doing 5 dailies per day to get the sands and umbrites and such.

You don't get to decide what DF is for. The community as a whole does. And similarly, I can say "stop impeding on speedrunner progress".

Majority rule is fair when you have 4 random people, because everyone's experience is equally valuable. My goal is no less or more important than yours.

yoshi-p said himself, also rushing someone forcing to skip chest and not let someone progress is instantly selfish, I do not understand such toxicity. This is a good example and proof that pure democracy does not work, all you do is oppress people. Look at the post below yours, the one I am replying too, you want to drive people to quit over your selfishness of 5 minutes? This game hands you exp as is, you don't need get all jobs to 60 in a day, give me a break.

I'd rather just speedrun to level quicker. It's easier to just grab a 260 Shire weapon then bother with getting +90/90.

You never thought of the reverse of this?:

"I rather look for chests because I have all jobs at 60 and there is a limiting factor of grabbing a shire weapon for all my jobs because of a 900 (formerly 450 cap). I can get a 255 weapon in a day, not a week or in the past, 3 weeks. You telling people they shouldn't need silvers so that gives you a right to harass people is wrong. Exp off something else, game hands you exp, you do not need to be harassing people over 5 minutes. If you cannot cooperate with people, do not do deep."

Also a6:
https://youtu.be/SCWg8ylFcbc
tldr: need 2 tanks for that one, not exactly something you can do with 1 healer, 1 tank, 6 dps to burn though like some others.

[Nixxe]

yoshi-p said himself, also rushing someone forcing to skip chest and not let someone progress is instantly selfish, I do not understand such toxicity. This is a good example and proof that pure democracy does not work, all you do is oppress people. Look at the post below yours, the one I am replying too, you want to drive people to quit over your selfishness of 5 minutes? This game hands you exp as is, you don't need get all jobs to 60 in a day, give me a break.

Perhaps you should consider the very real possibility that you have a penchant for being melodramatic.

[dragonseth07]

rushing someone forcing to skip chest and not let someone progress is instantly selfish, I do not understand such toxicity.

You know what else is selfish? Holding up someone else's level progress because you want more chests. See? It goes both ways.