Why everyone wants do PotD speed run?

[LunaFaye]

PvP is a better way to start off in my view since getting 235 gear is quick though it while on top of getting lore and scripts.

Some data centers have hours of queue time on pvp content, potd would be faster. Most people are not interested in pvp and would just afk it and I wasn't trying to support bad habits, the only reason I did not mention it. ilvl235 gear is fine, however it's pvp gear and won't hold up in higher level dungeons even so some people think it does but that's a complete different discussion. A couple of potd runs will lead to a full set of ilvl 230 gear as well as a couple of scripture pieces or/and at least the chest/pants in much shorter time in most cases.

[Shougun]

We clearly have very different experiences in AV, lol.

That actually makes me feel really bad beacuse the exp from them is huge . . . . I actually frowned when I read it because and I thought "No!" lol. I'm sorry >.<;

The exp, quantity, and ease, it feels great to pop and kill them imo. I like them <3.

Fair enough, I apologize for skimming. These are all good ideas, but I'm left with one overarching question: why make this optional? If it's just a part of the dungeon, the result is the same as what you want; if it's optional, then some people are going to skip it, which will be even more aggravating because they will be objectively wrong to do so. What's the upside?

I think.. its just a mental benefit, I mean this is getting into just how people "feel". So you can tell me how you feel about it and it would be just as well as what I said with no arguments to fight haha. To me its like if you removed RNG entirely from everything. You would know that it takes exactly 50 runs to get your pony. Part of this is great, but the other part reveals the grind so deeply in the game... Where an RNG can make you feel excited and unkown.. there is a nice feeling to RNG until it decides to royally screw you lol.

So I "feel" like that if its optional you will feel better about it, EVEN THOUGH the best reward will be to do it and therefore the standard for normal people will be to do it. Do you feel that's possible? Maybe its just me lol. Its like in those games where you can choose to be the good or bad, and game companies show that most people play the good but just by having a choice (even though for most its pretty linear) it feels different. It's like when you do something for yourself vs when someone tells you to do it, that sense of "my choice" (although sometimes people would fight, you're right and removing all choice would technically remove that lol).

For example, what if you were in Satasha and you're going down the hallway and there is a big hole in a wall you normally have never seen before. . Might be something special deciding to go down that hall rather than knowing the game is basically having a demon wall at your back saying "one way, move forward, nothing to see back here".

The other part of it is less about feelings and just that maps can be neat looking again lol. Right now if we look at our recent map contents they are incredibly basic geometrical shapes (hallways, and arenas). Even though it was linear I remember people talking about how the first dungeon for the Allagan tower was unique layout because you crisscrossed around. To me the story of the area can (has opportunity to be, may not actually lol) be more interesting with shapes that are more free to match their setting.

I don't suggest banishing hallways entirely, but I do feel like with optional content you get more interesting maps (even if the reward for doing them is so strong, and current) that you'd do it anyways.

I do understand what your overarching thought is coming from.. Its just my opinon that even when choices are "false" they can still feel impactful, especially if its because it gets players what they want (issue with talents sometimes is players dont want to make that choice but they have to) but if the reward was something they wanted (because SE would make sure it always was lol) then they'd willingly be like "I'm going to do the extra mile!". So perhaps you tell me if that would feel special to you or not, I understand if it wont - its just feelings (like I dislike hunts but I know some people who love them).

If we scrapped optional content because its just not a general feeling people share, then I would say I'd jump behind you with the mandatory style though. I would also still ask for "variations" like (the Satasha hole is not an option now, but sometimes its just there and changes your path slightly, different monsters, maybe the Key is in that extra room in Satasha, there is a small puzzle (rarely), still mandatory but small changes to mix it up). Like what if in a room that normally some dogs are its a group of enemy adventurers who've gone crazed, so you fight them and pick up an item for a small side quest outside of the dungeon to put their memories to rest (notify next of kin sort of deal).. that would be something fresh I feel.

Tl;dr if options is not enjoyed as much as I like them then I fully support your idea that we examine content in an absolute mandatory method. :P

(btw I've been editing my stuff a bit over time, I was a bit more sharp at first than needed at all - I've been reading my stuff like "why.. that wasn't needed" and editing it down lol).

[Ririta]

I don't get why people go speed run past floor 60, isn't the experience gain flat accross all floors past 50?

[Ama_Hamada]

Some data centers have hours of queue time on pvp content, potd would be faster. Most people are not interested in pvp and would just afk it and I wasn't trying to support bad habits, the only reason I did not mention it. ilvl235 gear is fine, however it's pvp gear and won't hold up in higher level dungeons even so some people think it does but that's a complete different discussion. A couple of potd runs will lead to a full set of ilvl 230 gear as well as a couple of scripture pieces or/and at least the chest/pants in much shorter time in most cases.

gero changed that, i still see fast queues but ya that is something else to keep in mind is how long you spend in queue.

I don't get why people go speed run past floor 60, isn't the experience gain flat accross all floors past 50?

same =/ i seen some people pushing us and my friend before, but 100 is increased but i do not think that is worth the time the climb. Just spam 50-60?

[SenorPatty]

I don't get why people go speed run past floor 60, isn't the experience gain flat accross all floors past 50?

I can tell you that sort of thing is counter productive, especially if the aethergear average is below 70. 80 even if I wanted to push it.

[Aeeninwen_Taldel]

I've yet to have bad experience in PotD. Course, the only time my group wiped was the first time me and a couple of my friends played it not knowing what mechanics the bosses had, and even then it was only floor 50 boss that we wiped.

For the most part, the groups I have been in haven't had issues with doing the whole dungeon. If you showed interested in actually wanting to kill everything, for the most part, everyone was up for it. If everyone seemed like they wanted to rush, that was exactly what we did. Never have I had someone complain if I wanted to do everything. Then again, I haven't really been in many groups that have been very verbal. I think, I only was in one group where people actually talked. It was 3 female characters, and one male. The male kept calling us his angels, so we started calling him Charlie. lol

[dragonseth07]

Everyone who forces the rest of the group to bend to them is a jerk, speedrun or chest run.

If the majority of the group wants speed, you speedrun. You've been outvoted.

If the majority of the group wants chests, you grab chests. You've been outvoted.

Majority rules in matchmade parties.

[Alistaire]

They're doing you a favor even if you don't realise it. Faster runs = more runs = more silver, even if you don't get every silver chest available in one particular run.

[Naunet]

My husband and I were doing PotD when it released with a friend of ours but then he quit and we never got around to going back to it... :\ This is the main reason I'm reluctant to get back into it now. We got to like...45-50 and I doubt anyone wants our noob butts. >_<

[Ama_Hamada]

Everyone who forces the rest of the group to bend to them is a jerk, speedrun or chest run.

If the majority of the group wants speed, you speedrun. You've been outvoted.

If the majority of the group wants chests, you grab chests. You've been outvoted.

Majority rules in matchmade parties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

1>3 if that one needs silvers. DF is not for speed running or forcing that on people, if you are not in PF, do not expect speedrunning. A person should be free to peak and try find silvers if they need to. This is tranny of the majority because you are picking on someone and inhibiting of their progress.

Also what happens with 2 v 2? funny how this is never addressed.

They're doing you a favor even if you don't realise it. Faster runs = more runs = more silver, even if you don't get every silver chest available in one particular run.

That is not how it works. That is only an argument when some room is very hard to get to. I am sure chest runners know when something is worth trying and not.

My husband and I were doing PotD when it released with a friend of ours but then he quit and we never got around to going back to it... :\ This is the main reason I'm reluctant to get back into it now. We got to like...45-50 and I doubt anyone wants our noob butts. >_<

Ya be fine, just talk about it. If someone harasses ya over being new just kick em, that simple. If they are that elitist, be doin them a favor anyway.