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    Quote Originally Posted by Nixxe View Post
    I mean, in all seriousness it seems like the DRK should time Blood Price better. Holy is pretty predictable in that it will likely begin occurring the moment the tank stops the pull and it's pretty serious AOE damage. Asking the WHM delay Holy and lose quite a bit of DPS on the trash rather than waiting 8 seconds or whatever until the stun is on DR seems like an all around bad strategy.
    Right when the tank stops the pull is right when the most possible mobs are hitting them, therefore when they'll get the most possible benefit from Blood Price. Asking the DRK to delay blood price and have less effective mp regeneration isn't a great strategy either. There's still other dps the WHM can do, and holy spam drains whm mp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bounddreamer View Post
    Right when the tank stops the pull is right when the most possible mobs are hitting them, therefore when they'll get the most possible benefit from Blood Price. Asking the DRK to delay blood price and have less effective mp regeneration isn't a great strategy either. There's still other dps the WHM can do, and holy spam drains whm mp.
    I'm like 99% sure you're asking for a significant net loss to the group's DPS just to avoid the DRK having to put even one iota of thought into how they use their abilities.

    Quote Originally Posted by BCRD View Post
    Dear Healers,
    Please don't chime when to "LB" to DPS during a boss fight. It's super annoying and you lose my commendation every time.
    You do realize LB gets wasted half the time because neither DPS uses it, right?
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    Last edited by Nixxe; 04-14-2017 at 04:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nixxe View Post
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    Dear WHM,

    You are a healer, not a DPS. Quit whining about your DPS. Let the tank do the tanking, it's their job. Yours is not to sit in Cleric Stance and spam holy so you can DPS with a faster queue. No, I don't really care how you try to rationalize it. If you wanna stance dance and DPS that's rad but when you become so preoccupied with it that you're trying to tell the tank how to tank and saying the DPS never does their job, you're not getting a commend from me, and possibly getting a kick if you get too antsy. You're literally telling everyone how to do their job so you can proceed to not do yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlaworks View Post
    Dear WHM,

    You are a healer, not a DPS. Quit whining about your DPS. Let the tank do the tanking, it's their job. Yours is not to sit in Cleric Stance and spam holy so you can DPS with a faster queue. No, I don't really care how you try to rationalize it. If you wanna stance dance and DPS that's rad but when you become so preoccupied with it that you're trying to tell the tank how to tank and saying the DPS never does their job, you're not getting a commend from me, and possibly getting a kick if you get too antsy. You're literally telling everyone how to do their job so you can proceed to not do yours.

    Dear tank,
    are you implying my job is to idle around doing nothing while the 2dps are doing 500ish dps while I'd do 3-4 times as much as a WHM? (<-- not an exaggeration,happened far,far more than once)
    Every good DRK ive met so far could handle their MP despite WHM Holy Spam very well and even told me to "not worry about their mp".
    DPS is key, no matter what you say and as long as everyone is alive, im legitimately doing my job.

    A good WHM is a LEGIT 3rd decent dps WHILE keeping everyone up and alive. Sacrificing that potential for your Blood Price is insane.

    PS: you're doing me a favor by kicking me in that case, because THAT party who will be doing that certainly is going to be far from good or fast.
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    Last edited by Faliandra; 04-14-2017 at 08:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlaworks View Post
    Dear WHM,

    You are a healer, not a DPS. Quit whining about your DPS. Let the tank do the tanking, it's their job. Yours is not to sit in Cleric Stance and spam holy so you can DPS with a faster queue. No, I don't really care how you try to rationalize it. If you wanna stance dance and DPS that's rad but when you become so preoccupied with it that you're trying to tell the tank how to tank and saying the DPS never does their job, you're not getting a commend from me, and possibly getting a kick if you get too antsy. You're literally telling everyone how to do their job so you can proceed to not do yours.
    You guys are trying really hard to make this personal and are reading into this what you want to see. I'm certainly not sitting in Cleric Stance 100% of the time, but I can heal most pulls in Sohm Al (Hard) and Baelsar's Wall with a single Regen cast right as the tank stops moving and maybe a Tetra at some point during the pull, with out-of-combat regen taking care of the rest. This gives me a lot of time to DPS, as there isn't really anything else to do, and I can do some pretty serious DPS, often being higher than both of the other DPS overall. This speeds up runs quite a bit, which helps all of us. I like healing, but unless the entire party is committed to being terrible, there generally isn't any to do in a lot of content, so my priority switches to spending as little time on my 120th run of Sohm Al as possible. This is perfectly reasonable on my part.
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    From Tank and DPS:
    Dear healers, is it okay for me to stand AFK and click 1 button every 15-20 seconds? If not, then I ask you the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nixxe View Post
    I'm like 99% sure you're asking for a significant net loss to the group's DPS just to avoid the DRK having to put even one iota of thought into how they use their abilities.
    It's really not. Go in with a premade and have them parse a massive pull. Waiting until blood price falls off to do your holy spam is not a huge ask. And I'm not saying "don't dps." I'm saying "show some awareness and consideration with respect to an ability the tank just put up, which is dependent on the group of enemies NOT being stunned."
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    Quote Originally Posted by bounddreamer View Post
    It's really not. Go in with a premade and have them parse a massive pull. Waiting until blood price falls off to do your holy spam is not a huge ask. And I'm not saying "don't dps." I'm saying "show some awareness and consideration with respect to an ability the tank just put up, which is dependent on the group of enemies NOT being stunned."
    I've seen the numbers, which is why I don't believe you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nixxe View Post
    I've seen the numbers, which is why I don't believe you.
    Okay. Do you mean you did it both ways, with holy spamming through blood price, and holding it til blood price was over? Or are you just hinging this solely on your holy spam regardless?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bounddreamer View Post
    Okay. Do you mean you did it both ways, with holy spamming through blood price, and holding it til blood price was over? Or are you just hinging this solely on your holy spam regardless?
    I know what my AOE and single target DPS look like, and what you're asking for will in many cases result in me missing the window in which AOE makes sense. Whether Blood Price is up or not is immaterial. It can be understood as you wanting me to not DPS for the first 15 seconds of a trash pull. It's also where the value of Holy's stun is the greatest, since it reduces the most incoming damage. Whatever anyone may think of WHM DPS, WHM reducing the damage people take is definitely in line with my job as a healer. As nice as Blood Price is, the DRK has other ways to get mana back, and not min/maxing Blood Price isn't going to leave them unable to use Unleash ever again.
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