Compromise: Just Charge $5 For Now. Once 2.0 is Out, Then Charge $12

[Preypacer]

I find it amazing that this thread is going for 49 pages now and people are still repeating the same arguments over and over and over again; as though saying it repeatedly will suddenly make it true.

Folks.. it's quite simple. If you don't feel the game is worth a sub yet after checking out 1.2 (many of you aren't even giving it that chance) then don't sub. Yoshi's already acknowledged that he realizes not everyone will sub because they'll not find it worth the money yet. So he's already stated, to keep track of it and maybe come back after 1.21 or 1.22 or so to see if it's more up what you find worth paying for.

But even that's not good enough for some of you, is it? No no no. Not for the self-entitled, ego-centric "me me me" crowd. It's gotta be your way or it's no good, right? You will have your cake and eat it too.. because you're entitled to it. Right?

For those of you whining about "not getting your money's worth" with all your ridiculous and melodramatic hyperbole... Give it a freaking rest. Some of you people have gotten more than your money's worth out of your initial purchase, especially those with multiple 50s and myriad achievements racked up over the past many months.

You bought the game, you've been playing the game - on SE's dime - for upwards of 13 months now. Now that they're going to reinstate subs, suddenly "you didn't get your money's worth". Well isn't that convenient.

Sorry... but yes you have. You've played the game, you've made progress, you've done any combination of developing your characters, leveling classes, fought raid-class bosses, completed dungeons, gotten some nice gear, did quests/missions, did leves, joined LSs and on and on.

In short, you've been playing the game all this time. Period. End of discussion.

FFS.. if you don't feel the game is worth a sub yet... then don't sub. It's as simple as that.

And don't come back with "what SE needs to succeed" or "they won't have enough subs" and such.. Not a single person posting here knows what SE needs. Only Yoshi and SE knows that. And from what they've stated, they are prepared to see it through to 2.0 regardless of how many end up subscribing. So, while you're at it... cut the crap with all the arm-chair analysis of "what SE needs for FFXIV to succeed". You have no idea.

It boils down to a simple decision.. If you feel the game is worth the sub after 1.2, then subscribe and continue playing. If you don't feel it's worth the sub... then don't subscribe and wait 'til you think it is.

[Anapingofness]

I agree with the OP, and I am confident in stating that FFXIV will definitely lose subs if they start charging $12.99/month at this point.

I've been playing since closed beta. I've watched linkshells fall apart, communities collapse, and friends drift away. My husband has lost interest, and is bitter about the fact that we paid $75 each for our CEs and sunk hundreds of dollars into our computers to upgrade them so we could even play. And we still haven't gotten what we paid for. He has flat out said that he will be cancelling the minute our Crysta runs out because he will not pay to play an unfinished game. This entire experience has been an emotional roller coaster ride. I'm burned out, and I haven't been able to admit until now that I'm just not having fun.

I'm still here to report the news to my linkshell members who aren't playing, and keep our little family going into 2.0. The whole thing is like some kind of twisted labor of love.

It's going to be really hard to convince my husband to let me keep my account active if I have to pay this kind of fee to do it. He might be more open to half that cost.

I certainly appreciate that SE has kept the game going F2P for over a year, now, and that they have sunk a massive amount of money into it. But I also feel that they were given little choice. A part of me has always wondered if they should have just shut it down and sunk 100% of their team's resources into it, without having to maintain game servers and keeping it out from under the microscope. But I think that would have created a greater sense of betrayal and worry from the players that paid for a product they couldn't even use. I cannot feel pity for SE or that I somehow owe them a subscription fee. They chose not to research the current MMO market. They chose to ignore current MMO standards. They chose to ignore the beta testers. They chose to go ahead with the release date. And as a customer, I just don't feel like I should have to pay for those mistakes.

This isn't a finished product, don't make us pay a finished price.

You're right. I think many of us completely forgot about the computers bit- at least I haven't seen people mention that and I know I'd forgotten about it.

Nevertheless, it is important to note that many people spent a lot of money to upgrade their computers if not buy new computers entirely so that they could play this game.

In return for their investment they were given utter disappointment. So no, they shouldn't charge us full price. They should leave it F2P without complaining but the fact that many fans are willing to pay half price says a lot and they should take what they can get without losing even more people.

Thanks for bringing this point up madam.

[irongripz]

I find it amazing that this thread is going for 49 pages now and people are still repeating the same arguments over and over and over again; as though saying it repeatedly will suddenly make it true.

Folks.. it's quite simple. If you don't feel the game is worth a sub yet after checking out 1.2 (many of you aren't even giving it that chance) then don't sub. Yoshi's already acknowledged that he realizes not everyone will sub because they'll not find it worth the money yet. So he's already stated, to keep track of it and maybe come back after 1.21 or 1.22 or so to see if it's more up what you find worth paying for.

But even that's not good enough for some of you, is it? No no no. Not for the self-entitled, ego-centric "me me me" crowd. It's gotta be your way or it's no good, right? You will have your cake and eat it too.. because you're entitled to it. Right?

For those of you whining about "not getting your money's worth" with all your ridiculous and melodramatic hyperbole... Give it a freaking rest. Some of you people have gotten more than your money's worth out of your initial purchase, especially those with multiple 50s and myriad achievements racked up over the past many months.

You bought the game, you've been playing the game - on SE's dime - for upwards of 13 months now. Now that they're going to reinstate subs, suddenly "you didn't get your money's worth". Well isn't that convenient.

Sorry... but yes you have. You've played the game, you've made progress, you've done any combination of developing your characters, leveling classes, fought raid-class bosses, completed dungeons, gotten some nice gear, did quests/missions, did leves, joined LSs and on and on.

In short, you've been playing the game all this time. Period. End of discussion.

FFS.. if you don't feel the game is worth a sub yet... then don't sub. It's as simple as that.

And don't come back with "what SE needs to succeed" or "they won't have enough subs" and such.. Not a single person posting here knows what SE needs. Only Yoshi and SE knows that. And from what they've stated, they are prepared to see it through to 2.0 regardless of how many end up subscribing. So, while you're at it... cut the crap with all the arm-chair analysis of "what SE needs for FFXIV to succeed". You have no idea.

It boils down to a simple decision.. If you feel the game is worth the sub after 1.2, then subscribe and continue playing. If you don't feel it's worth the sub... then don't subscribe and wait 'til you think it is.

i have watched you troll and attack everyone who disagrees with you on this thread. and out of these 49 pages i bet you got 50 post. i have sat by watching all of you. its sad to see your side of the argment and i seriously have tryed to see it from that side.

here is pretty much what it is. 1 side feels as if they only recieves 50% of what they wanted when they puchased the game. other half feels they have recieved 100%

now those who feel they havnt recieved enough are getting trolled by the same 5-10 peeps who refuse to stop arguing with everyone over poinless concept of what the want out of the game.

if your happy with what you got then why must you troll everyone on these forums? why are you not busy playing the game? your biased opinion has no merit tho and you can not justify telling someone else they recieved everything they wanted just because they got everything that satified you but not them. your basicly saying their opinion dont matter and yours is only one that does.

ive sat back and watched you and wynn tell everyone that disagrees with you to stop playing if they are not satified with the game they bought with their own money. you two are the forum plague of this comunitee. you purposly argue any point just to turn it into one.

if you and wynn enjoy the game so much how bout you stay off this thread and let other who have not posted post on it, before you troll it to death and get it locked.


now onto my opinion. this game is not worth a sub. it has been free from start for a reason. and the map i read says the finish line is a year away. This game is not complete and a big company like SE need to fix its PR and get better reviews from someone other than the fans on this forum. they need outsiders reviewing this game that will not give them biased opinions. earn back some of the bad publicity it got from the floped release. 2.0 and ps3 lauch would be perfect for this.

but charging now or even charging half will proly just send those who are waiting for what they consider a finished product packing. would be even more bad PR and reviews, not to mention they need to compete against alot of good up and comers in the next year. not the time SE not the time at all.

[Physic]

i have watched you troll and attack everyone who disagrees with you on this thread. and out of these 49 pages i bet you got 50 post. i have sat by watching all of you. its sad to see your side of the argment and i seriously have tryed to see it from that side.

here is pretty much what it is. 1 side feels as if they only recieves 50% of what they wanted when they puchased the game. other half feels they have recieved 100%

now those who feel they havnt recieved enough are getting trolled by the same 5-10 peeps who refuse to stop arguing with everyone over poinless concept of what the want out of the game.

if your happy with what you got then why must you troll everyone on these forums? why are you not busy playing the game? your biased opinion has no merit tho and you can not justify telling someone else they recieved everything they wanted just because they got everything that satified you but not them. your basicly saying their opinion dont matter and yours is only one that does.

ive sat back and watched you and wynn tell everyone that disagrees with you to stop playing if they are not satified with the game they bought with their own money. you two are the forum plague of this comunitee. you purposly argue any point just to turn it into one.

if you and wynn enjoy the game so much how bout you stay off this thread and let other who have not posted post on it, before you troll it to death and get it locked.


now onto my opinion. this game is not worth a sub. it has been free from start for a reason. and the map i read says the finish line is a year away. This game is not complete and a big company like SE need to fix its PR and get better reviews from someone other than the fans on this forum. they need outsiders reviewing this game that will not give them biased opinions. earn back some of the bad publicity it got from the floped release. 2.0 and ps3 lauch would be perfect for this.

but charging now or even charging half will proly just send those who are waiting for what they consider a finished product packing. would be even more bad PR and reviews, not to mention they need to compete against alot of good up and comers in the next year. not the time SE not the time at all.

HEy i could love a discount, and i know my friends will stop once they charge, but that doesnt mean I can say they shouldnt charge, What exactly do you think SE benefits by keeping it free? I see no real advantage. The only slight advantage is publicity, but publicity is something that is difficult to control anyway.

I understand a lot of people want a different agreement, but the box of the game says specifically that there will be a fee, ANyone who bought the game knew that there would be a fee. It was never billed as a f2p game, they didnt even advertise it that way. The only good reasons to lower the price, is if it will generate more revenue, or give them some quanifiable advantage to making money later. If you want the game to be free, come up with a method of if being profitable that uses it being free to generate more revenue, otherwise, what are you really saying? just that you want it free. Even guild wars 2 will have a cash shop and sell expansions probably every 3-6 months, where is the revenue from this game supposed to come in?

[Answa]

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now onto my opinion. this game is not worth a sub. it has been free from start for a reason. and the map i read says the finish line is a year away. This game is not complete and a big company like SE need to fix its PR and get better reviews from someone other than the fans on this forum. they need outsiders reviewing this game that will not give them biased opinions. earn back some of the bad publicity it got from the floped release. 2.0 and ps3 lauch would be perfect for this.

but charging now or even charging half will proly just send those who are waiting for what they consider a finished product packing. would be even more bad PR and reviews, not to mention they need to compete against alot of good up and comers in the next year. not the time SE not the time at all.

First off: Why is someone arguing with their own opinion trolling for you?

Second: That is a perfectly legitimate opinion, but just because the game has been free for a year, doesn't mean it still has to be. Its status hasn't been static. We've seen drastic changes and the only thing that's the same between then and now are the general maps (I'm obviously exaggerating). Bad PR is to keep telling people that this game is subpar in the eyes of the company, when clearly they don't see it as such anymore.

They already apologized for the launch, they've been working hard and it shows, and the director himself has said that, come 1.20, the game will be up to the standards he thinks the game should be for subscriptions to start rolling in.

I've made this point before and people continually just ignore it and highlight my displays of annoyance: If you honestly had never heard of this game and right now would start playing a free trial of it, starting after patch 1.20*, would you think this game is subpar? I've asked myself this question and I came up with an answer: no. It has plenty of content from most levels up to 50. Come 50, there's not much to do. But I'm talking about when 1.20 arrives. You'll have two to three months to get a class or two up to 50, maybe level up a craft and a gathering class, and suddenly, 1.21 looms in with job content, then more patches bring more endgame, etc.

It seems like a perfectly good time to start charging subscriptions, because the game is playable and has enough content throughout the levels to keep one busy.

*Note: Patch 1.20's main attractions are party search function (hopefully with party flag) and an AH-like Market Ward system.

[weeble]

this game needs to merge servers or add transfers cause theres no way in hell i'm paying to play on empty servers that u can't do a dang thing on. impossible to do dungeons witch is all we will see the next year. pretty much every ls has there 8man group for it, so less your willing to just wait till strats are already made (boring and no thanks)and most gear is gotten by the rest (aka getting there garbage drops now) then your screwed. no ls has enough people active and ready to do them for more then one party.

they having money problems they just need to shut down some servers so we have people to do things with, then maybe they will see some cash.

[Answa]

this game needs to merge servers or add transfers cause theres no way in hell i'm paying to play on empty servers that u can't do a dang thing on. impossible to do dungeons witch is all we will see the next year. pretty much every ls has there 8man group for it, so less your willing to just wait till strats are already made (boring and no thanks)and most gear is gotten by the rest (aka getting there garbage drops now) then your screwed. no ls has enough people active and ready to do them for more then one party.
they having money problems they just need to shut down some servers so we have people to do things with, then maybe they will see some cash.

I'm in four linkshells. One of them has to repearl every couple of weeks because it fills up super quickly (out of all the people, about 5 have expressed disinterest from paying. That's 5/137).

Another was dead for a long time and suddenly got rejuvenated and people are committed to coming back and are willing to pay.

I have another that is continuing to grow every day, and we have a poll on our website and out of 66, 4 people are leaving. Everyone else is willing to pay.

The fourth is a melting pot of people, as well. I have not heard anyone say they won't pay.

So... what the hell are you talking about?

[Bearforce]

this game needs to merge servers or add transfers cause theres no way in hell i'm paying to play on empty servers that u can't do a dang thing on. impossible to do dungeons witch is all we will see the next year. pretty much every ls has there 8man group for it, so less your willing to just wait till strats are already made (boring and no thanks)and most gear is gotten by the rest (aka getting there garbage drops now) then your screwed. no ls has enough people active and ready to do them for more then one party.

they having money problems they just need to shut down some servers so we have people to do things with, then maybe they will see some cash.

i agree with this. in figaro, i cant find anyone to party with nor a ls that is near my timezone

[weeble]

saronia is empty .even the most full ls don't have more then 15people on line at a time(and most won't be ready for or even want to join for runs). if your ls has 137people in it they surely ain't all loged in. my bet most don't log in for more then few hours a week let alone a day. that being said there really isn't more then 8people in a linkshell that are active. some servers are way more full, thus i'd love to be on one of those and there is no way in hell i'm rerolling a year of hard work. linkshells are more of a hub for exp grinds rather then endgame cause well it's only 8man stuff. for the normal player like me, you need a full server so you can shout and create static runs or you don't get in anything period.

is like warhammer ..first launch full server you can make a group for dungeons all day in 5minitues shouting, can start gathering players for statics and run them hard all day. then year in everyone gone, only can do runs with ls, ls almsot never has a spot open cause fills up with the few static and maybe a few extra if they need be. rest don't have the gear/level/time/care to do it. and even though i loved cop and it's hardness, i'm betting this is the real and biggest reason they had to dumb it down for people. fill servers please and all is well. ty.

hell swtor will be out same time they asking for cash and it will be swarmed with players, it's not to much to ask for them to merge servers, or even half the payment won't be enough. i'm almost ready to take a long break from this game cause i just have nothing to do outside of spend hours complaining i don't have the players to do endgame witch is the only thing i want to do in mmo's.

[Baxter]

Regardless of my stance on the whole "is it too soon to pay" debacle I will say this... if no one sounded off, and everyone was complacent we would have never received Yoshi P, and this game would be 6 feet under. The Dev team is open to feedback on the topic, as they have stated. So for the ones arguing "if you dont feel the game is worth it, leave!" that is not constructive. It's best for them to hear why people feel they should not have to pay, or pay full price. Us turning and attacking each other for our POV isn't helping the situation, not at all and in fact it is just derailing the thread.