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[Tiraelina]

Don't play with those people? It's that simple. Either that or you don't want to get revealed as being a leech trying to get carried. I'm talking about the kind that drags the entire group down.

I would really like to see where these addons that play for you are. All they do is give you more information up front that you would otherwise be staring at the combat log for instead of playing. It's like complaining the use of Ventrilo should be banned because you don't want to use it and that it gives those who do an advantage in communication.

Haivng control over the efficiency of my UI makes playing the game itself more enjoyable when I don't have to fight with anything else to play unlike the current incarnation.

http://i.imgur.com/uBPRy.jpg

[Shipp]

Don't play with those people? It's that simple. Either that or you don't want to get revealed as being a leech trying to get carried. I'm talking about the kind that drags the entire group down.

I would really like to see where these addons that play for you are. All they do is give you more information up front that you would otherwise be staring at the combat log for instead of playing. It's like complaining the use of Ventrilo should be banned because you don't want to use it and that it gives those who do an advantage in communication.

Haivng control over the efficiency of my UI makes playing the game itself more enjoyable when I don't have to fight with anything else to play unlike the current incarnation.

http://i.imgur.com/uBPRy.jpg

That is an awesome UI. What unit frames are you using? I used to use a few different add-ons to completely customize my UI like that, but I got tired of having to wait a couple days for them to be updated after a new patch, though lately, it's more like a few hours at most so I might give it a shot again.

[Tiraelina]

That is an awesome UI. What unit frames are you using? I used to use a few different add-ons to completely customize my UI like that, but I got tired of having to wait a couple days for them to be updated after a new patch, though lately, it's more like a few hours at most so I might give it a shot again.

The unit frames are Pitbull4. I took several hints from Aliena's UI.

It's really great to see people that know what they are talking about. Majority of the issues with addons are related to the people using them much like misusing any given tool. The lack of addons won't make those types of people stop existing. It also won't let you into a group with the better players that want to succeed when you don't have the gear or dps output to pull your weight.

Addons like Gearscore/Recount/Skada etc are only making information more accessible that was already there. The content itself doesn't have a requirement for the most part, it's all player based restrictions because they want to succeed and not waste hours wiping constantly on dumb things.

Damage meters are very useful when they are used properly to see if you are even capable of beating an enrage timer and being able to see who isn't doing what they are supposed. It's also never a bad thing to have some friendly competition to see who can do better and push eachother to improve,

Something I really hope is in the works is multiple action bars that can have keybindings.

[Shipp]

The unit frames are Pitbull4.

It's really great to see people that know what they are talking about. Majority of the issues with addons are related to the people using them much like misusing any given tool. The lack of addons won't make those types of people stop existing. It also won't let you into a group with the better players that want to succeed when you don't have the gear or dps output to pull your weight.

Addons like Gearscore/Recount/Skada etc are only making information more accessible that was already there. The content itself doesn't have a requirement for the most part, it's all player based restrictions because they want to succeed and not waste hours wiping constantly on dumb things.

Damage meters are very useful when they are used properly to see if you are even capable of beating an enrage timer and being able to see who isn't doing what they are supposed. It's also never a bad thing to have some friendly competition to see who can do better and push eachother to improve,

Something I really hope is in the works is multiple action bars that can have keybindings.

Thanks! I had Pitbull at one time, though I couldn't remember which add-on I had that looked like those bars.

The only reason I use damage meters is because I like to tighten up my rotation and when I know I'm capable of pulling 12k on a 340 ilvl character and I see myself pulling 10k, I know I need to start paying attention. I think a lot of people who don't play WoW think the majority use Recount to eliminate "noobs" when that's just not the case. Sure, some people do, but most of us use these damage meters to measure our own effectiveness. I don't care what the other people at 85 are pulling in a heroic as long as it's above 6k (and even that's low). If you're pulling under 6k, you simply don't know how to play and should read up on your class.

I was in a Heroic Deadmines group earlier and DPS'd the first half and then switched to healing after Reaper. I was pulling a consistent 12k on a toon with like 340 ilvl. I was highest DPS (in PvP gear lol) and I only hit 85 on that Shaman 4 days ago. Tank was pulling 10k, one other DPS was pulling 9k, and the lowest was pulling 3.4k. The warrior pulling 3.4k obviously sucked, but he was new to 85 and was cool to talk to. He stated he was new and that he'd been playing 2 years but really only liked playing the AH and finally decided to try dungeons. Was I carrying him? Absolutely. Did I care? Not at all. He was willing to learn, when we wiped on a few fights, I stayed there along with another member and we just waited for new players if someone dropped. I explained the fights to him and told him not to eat "rotten food" on Cookie, but that I would eat the food near the pot and he could eat any normal food near him to get a haste buff. We cleared the dungeon and even did Vanessa and by the end he was pulling 7k.

Many of us using these addons are willing to help people as long as they are honest. If you're pulling very low DPS but tell me you're new to the fight and don't know what to do, I am more than willing to explain it to you. We were all in that position at one point, just because you showed up a little later does not make you bad. What makes you bad is when you're pulling horrible DPS and lie and say you know the fight and start blaming your own mistakes on other people or the infamous "lag" when it's quite apparent you are NOT lagging.

I am not a special case in WoW either. I would wager the majority of players in endgame events are willing to help newer players out, as long as they are honest and make it known they are willing to improve. It's when people lie about knowing the fights when they don't that we start getting ticked. I've been in PuG raids that I've never done before and I've only read the raid journal on (new feature implemented in Cata that explains the boss and lists the major attacks and what they do) and stated it in raid chat that I just need a few tips and 99% of the raids I've been in have been more than happy to help me. When we pull up to a boss, before the pull I usually start explaining it over vent or raid chat if it's a boss I'm familiar with. A lot of people are scared to say they're new to a fight because of this stigma that is really unfounded that if you aren't out-gearing the boss and know it inside and out, you'll be kicked. Once you're in a raid, you aren't going to be kicked unless you're dead weight, because that means someone has to go back to town to shout for your replacement and risking the rest of the raid falling apart.

I really wish people who aren't familiar with WoW's endgame (and I mean people who actually partake in it, not people who know someone who has raided in WoW) would stop bringing it up in relation to add-ons, because the vast majority of those people are making false assumptions, lying, have no clue what they're talking about, or a combination of all three.

[Jinko]

The unit frames are Pitbull4. I took several hints from Aliena's UI.

It's really great to see people that know what they are talking about. Majority of the issues with addons are related to the people using them much like misusing any given tool. The lack of addons won't make those types of people stop existing. It also won't let you into a group with the better players that want to succeed when you don't have the gear or dps output to pull your weight.

Addons like Gearscore/Recount/Skada etc are only making information more accessible that was already there. The content itself doesn't have a requirement for the most part, it's all player based restrictions because they want to succeed and not waste hours wiping constantly on dumb things.

Damage meters are very useful when they are used properly to see if you are even capable of beating an enrage timer and being able to see who isn't doing what they are supposed. It's also never a bad thing to have some friendly competition to see who can do better and push eachother to improve,

Something I really hope is in the works is multiple action bars that can have keybindings.

So much sense and truth in this thread, why can't the rest of you be half as accommodating :P

Gearscore is not guna be an issue in FFXIV because from what I know FFXIV doesn't have different item levels for armour at the same level.

[Zenaku]

Don't play with those people? It's that simple. Either that or you don't want to get revealed as being a leech trying to get carried. I'm talking about the kind that drags the entire group down.

I would really like to see where these addons that play for you are. All they do is give you more information up front that you would otherwise be staring at the combat log for instead of playing. It's like complaining the use of Ventrilo should be banned because you don't want to use it and that it gives those who do an advantage in communication.

Haivng control over the efficiency of my UI makes playing the game itself more enjoyable when I don't have to fight with anything else to play unlike the current incarnation.

http://i.imgur.com/uBPRy.jpg

ya that type of addon that give you info or make thing easy i don't want to be forced to use something just because they tell me too. It's not even about the addon that does something for you it just the overall idea of making you use them. Don't play with those people? i wish it was that easy when something become mainstream you have to use it or you never get a invite but w/e does not really matter i'm not going to use something because they tell me too lol.

As long as no one make a ilvl addon i'll be fine i don't want to see "650score+ do you have it? /tell Level 50 dungeon. If i don't see that i be 100% with addon i play my way they play there way i don't really care much about addon just that one i be piss about.

[Lavani]

ya that type of addon that give you info or make thing easy i don't want to be forced to use something just because they tell me too. It's not even about the addon that does something for you it just the overall idea of making you use them. Don't play with those people? i wish it was that easy when something become mainstream you have to use it or you never get a invite but w/e does not really matter i'm not going to use something because they tell me too lol.

As long as no one make a ilvl addon i'll be fine i don't want to see "650score+ do you have it? /tell Level 50 dungeon. If i don't see that i be 100% with addon i play my way they play there way i don't really care much about addon just that one i be piss about.

Yeah, i'd rather invite someone and take a quick look at their gear before i give them the boot. I also like to wipe a few times and figure out who's lacking in dps/healing output and then proceed to giving them the boot.

[Zenaku]

Yeah, i'd rather invite someone and take a quick look at their gear before i give them the boot. I also like to wipe a few times and figure out who's lacking in dps/healing output and then proceed to giving them the boot.

In ffxi people with ok gear did there jobs without issue most healers did there job with gimp gear. I for one never had the best gear for my sam and i did over 2.5k WS when i needed too. So sorry it not all about gear as long as you know what you doing and know when to do it gear means noting.

I dislike when someone wont invite a person due to there gear how would they get gear if your endgame linkshell wont invite them? Do everyone have to join a noob endgame linkshell just to get few items then join a real good one?

wiping have noting to do with gear i party with people and wipe you tell them what to do and how to do it and the party goes fine it's when people don't listen is when ppl suck. I can understand in wow but in ffxi or in ffxiv gear matter but not a lot.

Not saying gear means noting it does but sometime skill mean more then gear.

[Lavani]

In ffxi people with ok gear did there jobs without issue most healers did there job with gimp gear. I for one never had the best gear for my sam and i did over 2.5k WS when i needed too. So sorry it not all about gear as long as you know what you doing and know when to do it gear means noting.

I dislike when someone wont invite a person due to there gear how would they get gear if your endgame linkshell wont invite them? Do everyone have to join a noob endgame linkshell just to get few items then join a real good one?

wiping have noting to do with gear i party with people and wipe you tell them what to do and how to do it and the party goes fine it's when people don't listen is when ppl suck. I can understand in wow but in ffxi or in ffxiv gear matter but not a lot.

Not saying gear means noting it does but sometime skill mean more then gear.

Skill does mean more than gear, now imagine how much better that player can be with optimal gear? I for one don't like the gearscore addon because a lesser geared person can be a better overall player than a well geared person. But I do check people to make sure they have decent gear. Why? Because like you said although skill plays a major role in damage done, the better geared person (assuming equal skill level) will do more damage. Also better gear tends to have more armor/HP so they can survive any type of unavoidable AOE easier overall making the raid group better.

[Zenaku]

Skill does mean more than gear, now imagine how much better that player can be with optimal gear? I for one don't like the gearscore addon because a lesser geared person can be a better overall player than a well geared person. But I do check people to make sure they have decent gear. Why? Because like you said although skill plays a major role in damage done, the better geared person (assuming equal skill level) will do more damage. Also better gear tends to have more armor/HP so they can survive any type of unavoidable AOE easier overall making the raid group better.

ya 100% agree with you but i dislike when ppl get kick for not having good gear even if they have ok gear.

You know the type of player who say best gear or gtfo?