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    Quote Originally Posted by Talraen View Post
    So if a company ever offers something for free, it can never decide to charge for it? How about raising prices? Is that allowed, or is it a problem because we're paying more than we used to before?
    You're misrepresenting the point.

    If a company goes "This is our service and this is what is included in our service charge" and then starts taking items out of that package for no reason than to charge separately for them you can be sure there will be consumer blowback.

    In fact its the exact reason that when cable, internet, and phone providers update their packages for new subscribers they dont go back and ninja the customers on existing plans, they keep them as they were for previous subscribers, because thats what they signed up for (also contracts but y'know).

    So can they decide to charge for it? Sure, they can.

    Most companies however deem the practice unethical (lol they don't want to deal with the blowback) so they don't do it and consumers have the right to voice an opinion if they disagree with the service.

    Quote Originally Posted by Talraen View Post
    And I'm sorry if having "literally no other alternatives" doesn't convince me. The "compromise" you suggest would completely cut the legs off of whatever revenue stream Square Enix is trying to create. One of the main reasons for charging for old event items is to incentivize players to stay subscribed. Your proposal would remove both that incentive and the incentive to buy older items, effectively making the whole thing moot.
    Except that it costs them nothing on the development end to re-issue annual event items, I'm not talking about events that were deemed exclusive like the "Lightning Returns", Dragon Quest, or Yokai Watch crossovers.

    Allowing players to re-obtain seasonal event items in-game was something this game allowed before the Mogstation, it was a feature of the game one could count under what their subscription covered. Then when the next year came around suddenly the vendors no longer provided those items and you could "look forward" to them being charged for an additional fee on the Mogstation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Talraen View Post
    I understand that this system costs players money and the previous system did not. I too would prefer if everything was free. Who wouldn't? But you're taking a stand on principle when the debate is purely economic. Your argument boils down to "I don't want to pay for this" - which, again, is an economic argument. So make that argument.

    If you're not going to unsubscribe if they offer optional items you won't pay for, then what exactly is your angle here? If the items are optional, and you won't buy them, so what?
    You're once again misrepresenting the point, either that or you simply don't understand it (which is okay).

    The argument isn't "I dont want to pay for this!"

    The argument is "Why am I suddenly paying an additional fee for something I didn't have to before?"

    Am i required to buy items off of the Mogstation? of course not, hence why i don't.

    But if I'm paying a monthly fee for something and over time have been led to expect certain things where included under the umbrella of that monthly fee, as a consumer it is within my right to disagree or voice an opinionm if the company wants to remove some of those items and charge me additionally for them instead.

    You're saying "well speak with your wallet" but i dont play the game for the items on the mogstation so outside of not buying them already (which i dont) unsubbing wont really say anything.
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    Last edited by Ryel; 03-31-2017 at 12:37 AM.

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