Stop Making Should-Be Achievement Gear.."Optional Gear"

[Kyuuen]

Person/s go to Theme/Rollercoaster Park: "I/we paid $60 a person to get in! What do you mean food and drink isn't free?! I HAVE to pay for merchandise as well?!? I HAVE to pay to play games?!? This is highway robbery!!"

Person/s join country club (golf course membership) : "I STILL have to pay for food and drink?!? I STILL have to pay greens fees?!?" (charge for actually playing golf on the course)

The complaints about mogstation sound just as ridiculous to me as the above.

Just because you paid to get access doesn't mean there will not be any other charges.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

Person/s go to Theme/Rollercoaster Park: "I/we paid $60 a person to get in! What do you mean food and drink isn't free?! I HAVE to pay for merchandise as well?!? I HAVE to pay to play games?!? This is highway robbery!!"

Person/s join country club (golf course membership) : "I STILL have to pay for food and drink?!? I STILL have to pay greens fees?!?" (charge for actually playing golf on the course)

The complaints about mogstation sound just as ridiculous to me as the above.

Just because you paid to get access doesn't mean there will not be any other charges.

You're comparing digital items to physical items, but let's roll with that for a second.

Imagine if you were at a Theme Park and water came free and was that way for over 10 years, then out of nowhere they charge you 5$ per bottle of water one day you show up. Wouldn't you first reaction be "what the?".

[Atlas-04]

You're comparing digital items to physical items, but let's roll with that for a second.

Imagine if you were at a Theme Park and water came free and was that way for over 10 years, then out of nowhere they charge you 5$ per bottle of water one day you show up. Wouldn't you first reaction be "what the?".

Uh are you talking about drinking water or water used in a water park for attractions? Pretty sure bottles of water are usually sold and not handed for free but who knows.

If you mean attraction water well that would be more like the games content. Dungeons, fates, raids, crafting etc. Guess what, that comes with your entry (sub) fee. They are charging for 100% optional glamour items in a way similar to food and drinks at a theme park. Funny enough I would probably get more enjoyment out of a $10 outfit then a $10 pretzel.

Edit: It always amuses me that people will pay insane amounts of money to see a movie in theaters where you get maybe 2 hours of enjoyment and you actually enjoying said movie isn't guaranteed, But for extras being charged in game suddenly it is a horrible thing. I don't splurge in any way on cash shops but don't consider them an evil unless it starts invading the core game. When that time comes I be grabbing my torch and pitchfork with the rest of the mob.

[Kyuuen]

You're comparing digital items to physical items, but let's roll with that for a second.

Imagine if you were at a Theme Park and water came free and was that way for over 10 years, then out of nowhere they charge you 5$ per bottle of water one day you show up. Wouldn't you first reaction be "what the?".

Have you ever been to Cedar Point? Water used to be free there. Now it's sold. Though you can still get water from fountains. Times change. No part of business operates in complete stasis.

[Kuroneko_Jutah]

Have you ever been to Cedar Point? Water used to be free there. Now it's sold. Though you can still get water from fountains. Times change. No part of business operates in complete stasis.

This metaphor is incredibly apt, considering we're playing Final Fantasy: The Theme Park.

[Clethoria]

Have you ever been to Cedar Point? Water used to be free there. Now it's sold. Though you can still get water from fountains. Times change. No part of business operates in complete stasis.

And thats what I'm proposing with both but not entirely equal

Yes, but then there's no reason to buy it if it can be obtained in game.

I don't think you're getting the point. All the dyes on Mog Staton can be obtained in game. You just can't sell the MS ones. But. As I just said, they're in game too. What's the point of buying the red magitek on MS when the original is in game? It's just a reskin... and can fly. But the original, by all means, can be received for free in game. They're both very well the same, just not equal.

[Kyuuen]

And thats what I'm proposing with both but not entirely equal

Yes, but then there's no reason to buy it if it can be obtained in game.

Here's the issue. It costs money to create content. That we can all agree on. Looking back to the Theme Park and water example. The park can continue to hand out free water in cups, but the issue is they're giving away the cups for that water, and those cups are not obtained for free, they have a price. So should the park just write those cups off as an expense, or charge for it to increase profits. Most would; and do, now charge for that cup.

So transposing that over to XIV, if it costs more to create extra content, where then would you suppose the coverage of those costs would come from if everything can be obtained in game? If you increase the monthly sub cost, you drive customers away. If you add it as DLC/Mogstore people get angry sure, but typically stick around.

I don't think you're getting the point. All the dyes on Mog Staton can be obtained in game. You just can't sell the MS ones. But. As I just said, they're in game too. What's the point of buying the red magitek on MS when the original is in game? It's just a reskin... and can fly. But the original, by all means, can be received for free in game. They're both very well the same, just not equal.

You're right, I'm not sure I'm getting your point. = /

The dyes at best are extremely random to obtain in game. And even though you may get one, there is no certainty that it's the one you are after. So adding them to MS eases that if you have that extra change to throw at SE.

And I might be wrong on this point so please do correct me if I'm wrong, but the Red and White Magitechs; while they are in the game, are no longer obtainable. Therefore were added to MS to give those that missed their chance to get them, so they could have the chance to have them, albeit at a cost.

[Reaperking386]

You're comparing digital items to physical items, but let's roll with that for a second.

Imagine if you were at a Theme Park and water came free and was that way for over 10 years, then out of nowhere they charge you 5$ per bottle of water one day you show up. Wouldn't you first reaction be "what the?".

Well there is a big difference. Water is something we need to survive. We NEED it. That is like selling provoke in the cash shop.


The more appropriate argument is something we want, like saying there is a shirt the theme park gave for free for years and then all of a sudden started to give out a new shirt. The old shirt would be placed in a shop where it was still purchasable. While this may be unfair for those who did not get the shirt, they were still given the same amount of time for those who did get it for free. They are also given the chance to get the shirt for currency and still have the chance of getting the new shirt for free.

Really...everyone wins. The regulars get a new shirt every year or so, the company makes money from the old shirts, and the new goers have the opportunity of buying the old shirts they missed out on.

[Alerion]

Person/s go to Theme/Rollercoaster Park: "I/we paid $60 a person to get in! What do you mean food and drink isn't free?! I HAVE to pay for merchandise as well?!? I HAVE to pay to play games?!? This is highway robbery!!"

The complaints about mogstation sound just as ridiculous to me as the above.

Just because you paid to get access doesn't mean there will not be any other charges.

Alternatively,

Thank you for paying for your Netflix subscription this month. What would you like to watch? Breaking Bad? Please pay an additional $15 to watch this program.

Your example is pretty much as bad as it gets as you're comparing subscriptions to an entry to something plus additional unrelated products like food and or toys/apparel/etc. Of course additional products would cost more. No one wants to get FFXV for free because they pay for their XIV subscription. About the same relation as a theme park and its merchandise.

[Talraen]

Alternatively,

Thank you for paying for your Netflix subscription this month. What would you like to watch? Breaking Bad? Please pay an additional $15 to watch this program.

Your example is pretty much as bad as it gets as you're comparing subscriptions to an entry to something plus additional unrelated products like food and or toys/apparel/etc. Of course additional products would cost more. No one wants to get FFXV for free because they pay for their XIV subscription. About the same relation as a theme park and its merchandise.

Uh, no. Netflix is a platform specifically to watch TV and movies, which promises a single price for unlimited access. Your example explicitly breaks that promise.

NPC outfits were never available in game. Are they not therefore "additional products" that would cost more?