Stop Making Should-Be Achievement Gear.."Optional Gear"

[Mature]

You do realize that you don't HAVE to purchase OPTIONAL items, right? So who cares if others do? How does that concern you at all?

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[Baci]

I pay sub plx gief stuff

[Aramina]

They are not going to stop doing something that is profitable just because you don't like it. Sorry, but that is reality.

[Knahli]

I can't personally jump on the Doom & Gloom train about how the cash shop is the worst thing ever when it's only feeding more money into the game you, the naysayers, are apparently still enjoying enough to continue subbing for. Everything on the cash shop has been of really niche interest. There's hardly anything any there that the average person gets excited about except for once in a blue moon so it's hardly like they are even abusing it's current state to it's full potential either. When accounting for my total subscription fee and Mogstation purchases, to date I've still spent less money on here than my previous game which was a Free-to-Play MMO which I have - by now - played less than FFXIV and I am a glamour/vanity freak with over eight characters who has no problem shelling out money in this game if it's for something that suits any one of my characters.

Many people are speaking as though this is the only avenue in life where you pay for a service and don't get absolutely everything remotely associated with it for free in exchange. There's nothing exploitative about this system in my opinion and anyone who claims otherwise is primarily basing their reasoning an a slippery slope fallacy when the fact of the matter is that 90% of the people who express support for and defend the cash shop all imply they are just as against the idea of it reaching the same negative point you are all afraid of(e.g paying for 'power-ups').

I don't like that the new emotes are single-character only. I think that was unnecessarily stingey of SE to throw out such a restriction.
I also think the OP had an undeniably interesting point about the likes of NPC Magitek Reapers being made available through farm content and I admit I regret the missed opportunity(since the mentor one was horribly implemented) for the sake of those interested, but I still wholeheartedly support the cash shop - that is to say, I still wholeheartedly support a fair and non-pressuring manner in which the game I love playing can rake in more revenue, look more successful to the investors, and therefore earn nice and plump budgets to feed back into the game as what happened with Stormblood. Yes please.

I can't even fathom this concept that some people are suggesting where the game should be made better in exchange for making less money.

[Nora_of_Mira]

A sub is a sub..we should have access to everything if this game isnt a Free-To-Play game.

This is where I think the argument goes too far. The cash shop is not SE holding candy in front of your face and telling you, "You need this! Buy this!". You don't need any of this. Saying its Optional Items is just not enough for people, so whatever.

For what it's worth, this is how I look at it: I bought Tales of Berseria at full price on Steam because I played a Tales game once. Tales of Berseria ended up blowing my expectations out of the water and I'm thoroughly enjoying it. I want the devs of this game to continue making Tales game of this quality and better, but how can I do that? I buy all of the DLC costumes/items. I WANT to support good game development and MONEY is how I can do that. Yeah, I bought the game already and some would say that is enough, but I'd rather drive the message home and make sure these men and women get rewarded for their work.

I love FFxiv, it's the best MMO on the market by a long shot, imo. I pay my sub even when I stay 3-4 weeks off every now and then. I also buy stuff from the cash shop. Not because I think I need it, but because I support FFxiv. Subs is not enough to pay for everything we get in this game. I believe I read something about how the cash shop was able to pay for the upgrades to the NA servers? (i dont have a source).

[Maero]

With your threads you have been making it would seem you are not Happy. You could always leave the game and be done with it?

[Mirch]

OPu can always change game lmao be happy u can quit the game iif it stresses you like this

[Talraen]

A sub is a sub..we should have access to everything if this game isnt a Free-To-Play game.

May I ask why? You mention that content "should" be earned in-game, and that we are paying for a "FULL membership," but what are those points based on? Because Square Enix doesn't need to make more money? I mean, granted, but so what? By what argument "should" all this be free? You act like that's an inherent truth, but that's not the case.

Now, I think your point about customer satisfaction is strong, and important. If they charge too much and it drives people away, that's bad, both from a business and a customer perspective. However, that doesn't seem to be happening, at least not yet. But I don't think it's wise to conflate "I don't like that I have to pay for this" with "I shouldn't have to pay for this." The first is a valid argument, even though everyone seems to be afraid to just say that. The second is kind of nonsense.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

May I ask why? You mention that content "should" be earned in-game, and that we are paying for a "FULL membership," but what are those points based on? Because Square Enix doesn't need to make more money? I mean, granted, but so what? By what argument "should" all this be free? You act like that's an inherent truth, but that's not the case.

Now, I think your point about customer satisfaction is strong, and important. If they charge too much and it drives people away, that's bad, both from a business and a customer perspective. However, that doesn't seem to be happening, at least not yet. But I don't think it's wise to conflate "I don't like that I have to pay for this" with "I shouldn't have to pay for this." The first is a valid argument, even though everyone seems to be afraid to just say that. The second is kind of nonsense.

I think what they're wanting to say is that part of the appeal of Pay to Play MMO's for so many years was that you only payed once a month and had the chance to obtain everything the game had to offer without a cash shop. It really made the game as a whole feel much better and more cost effective compared to F2P variants.

This game I feel has kind of over done the glamour aspect of cash shops as well as emotes. In FFXI and FFXIV 1.0, you could always reobtain event gear the following year in-game, but now you have to pay money if you missed out that one year which is already a downgrade compared to the past. Even FFXIV 2.0 was like this at first but they changed it and started charging us for old gear that was made for basic events.

SE charging 30$ for a mount and 7$ per emote is hella pricey with their other costs being high as well. 15$ gets you an outfit and a hairstyle, but is that really the price of something that cost more than a single 12.99$ sub? All in all, they definitely deserve criticism with how they've been implementing this cash shop from price alone and charging us for old event items with steep prices in comparison to the sub. You don't even get to have these items on all of your characters which is even more steep.