Please keep Ser Aymeric's armor exclusive to males

[Alynn]

So men in dresses is "crossing the line," but dragons, magic, and a giant talking crystal are just fine??????

Did you not hear me say that men can the spring dresses lol? Or maybe everything else I stated?

My only complaint is that people are trying to push for something that shouldn't be unlocked for both genders. And yes. We are talking about just clothes. But clothes are the reason why people go to such lengths such as making threads like this and vice versa and grinding dungeons. I'm stating that Aymeric's attire being unavailable for females is a completely justifiable thing simply because Aymeric is an NPC who is solely unique in the game. Disagree with me all you want but if people ask for this, what's next? Giving us NPC's faces? There's a reason why it took so long to even give us Aymeric's attire in the first place, or why devs keep some things specific to NPCs. But who am I to say anything? After all, it's just faces.

[Clethoria]

Meanwhile, from the western player base:

But mooooom! My glamours! Make it like this, and this, and this! I want it my way!

This is what these threads sound like. In fact if there was no gender restriction, someone would complain about all the joke characters running around.

[Naunet]

In fact if there was no gender restriction, someone would complain about all the joke characters running around.

Honestly, considering the ratio of threads calling for easing glamour restrictions (of which there are many) vs threads complaining about joke glamours (of which there are... pretty much none), I highly doubt this is anything more than a strawman.

[Serilda]

Meanwhile, from the western player base:

I haven't checked France/Germany but the Japanese fans make threads like this too. There are at least two about the Aymeric gear and people make the same points about the double standards with gender locks (admittedly with a lot fewer ragey strawman objections).

[Lukha]

I haven't checked France/Germany but the Japanese fans make threads like this too. There are at least two about the Aymeric gear and people make the same points about the double standards with gender locks (admittedly with a lot fewer ragey strawman objections).

Ah, I'd been wondering about that. I've even tried browsing their general chat a few times to see, but either they post their complaints elsewhere, or my Japanese just isn't good enough to pick them out of the crowd (All that kanji is really intimidating >.<). Have they been clamoring for things like the Bunny and Thavanarian gear to be unlocked, too?

It would be comforting to know that SE's favored section of the audience have been asking for this sort of thing as well.

[Serilda]

Have they been clamoring for things like the Bunny and Thavanarian gear to be unlocked, too?

It would be comforting to know that SE's favored section of the audience have been asking for this sort of thing as well.

Very much so; their complaints are the reason that the problem was acknowledged and the (highly questionable) 'fix' of locking the NPC glamours was originally implemented, reading between the lines of the community rep responses there. There's a lot less salt in the debates but they make similar points - unfair allocation of hair styles, unfair distribution of female-only/unisex locks, male characters wanting to be beautiful too (much more accepted as a cultural thing over there despite the society being more outwardly conservative overall). I don't know whether nobody is making the usual arguments that the world will end if men can wear bunny ears because they're inherently ridiculous or whether the moderators are just exceptionally quick over that side, but I'd like to think it's the former.

Comedy glamours and lighthearted alternative male Roegadyn fashion choices are very popular in Japan if my data centre is at all representative.

[Talraen]

Honestly, considering the ratio of threads calling for easing glamour restrictions (of which there are many) vs threads complaining about joke glamours (of which there are... pretty much none), I highly doubt this is anything more than a strawman.

As someone who would be very happy to never see another character with a snowman head or a tank not wearing any armor again, I assure you there are people who hate joke glamours. However, they already exist and they're worse than anything that would happen due to the removal of gender locks. (For that matter, you can already pull off pretty feminine looks on male characters right now, as evidenced by that other thread about the subject.) So that ship has sailed. That said, I'd love to see a feature where you can just make a character appear in generic gear. FFXI has this, though it affects everyone but you and was implemented for performance reasons. But still.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

You made a thread for it. I made a thread against it. That is allowed. If you consider that childish I don't know what to tell you. Freedom of speech exists for a reason. Not my fault you got your feelings hurt. Plenty of worse things in the world.

See here's the thing, it's not that you disagreed, it's how you went about it. "Plenty of worst things in the world" is irrelevant as the way you handled it was indeed childish.

[ErryK]

This is what these threads sound like. In fact if there was no gender restriction, someone would complain about all the joke characters running around.

I see a lot of people run around playing male Roegadyn and wearing nothing but the pig outfit or a scantily clad Roegadyn in nothing but a pink subligar. I just think to myself that they're a disgrace and walk away. Do we really need to make it a GM/dev issue that people dress like crap? That's what the ligaments in your eyes are for, to avert your vision.

No one cares about men wearing dresses, I don't know why you keep throwing this straw man around.

Lol. To be honest, I don't care for males wearing "dresses" as you put it, but in my honest opinion, in order to receive, you must give.

[Serilda]

The thing is, S-E specifically asked us to make threads for item requests and to vote on posts we agree with so the team can prioritise things properly. So even though I wouldn't have done it this way, Atremic has clearly succeeded in demonstrating that the community is against unlocking the clothes which is, regrettably, the way we have to go if those of us with an agenda wish to see it addressed before we die of old age.

I will be eagerly supporting opening things up after the outstanding gender imbalance in game is cleared up, I promise (I'm already involved in the campaign to open more stuff up in general, and aside from Minfilia and the HW sets it would be a trivial matter for the team). However, they've said they have no intention of finishing the male bunny suit pre-SB as the team is too busy, so if they're short on glamour modellers I'd strongly prefer to see them fixing existing issues as the priority. It's already going to have been more than two full years of complaining before we see the bunny suit, at best.