Do Something About Duty Finder Already

[Gaj85]

Get over it and stop crying. People can play this game however they feel. If DF is THAT much of an issue for you try going in with a fixed party. Everyone pays a fee just like you, regardless if they live up to your "standard" of skill.

[RLofOBFL]

Get over it and stop crying. People can play this game however they feel. If DF is THAT much of an issue for you try going in with a fixed party. Everyone pays a fee just like you, regardless if they live up to your "standard" of skill.

I know right. Who cares if we can't beat the dps check for normal mode Faust because dps is too low? Who cares if the tank can't keep aggro and wipes the group? Oh yeah and those healers who can't keep the party alive? They pay a sub so they should be able to play however they want. It's funny people would actually expect others to play to any standard lol. I join as PLD for fast queues, I could care less about keeping aggro, the healer can heal up the DPS, it's their job anyway. It's ridiculous that they expect anything from me smh. I pay a sub. I play how I want.

[Jim_Berry]

I know right. Who cares if we can't beat the dps check for normal mode Faust because dps is too low? Who cares if the tank can't keep aggro and wipes the group? Oh yeah and those healers who can't keep the party alive? They pay a sub so they should be able to play however they want. It's funny people would actually expect others to play to any standard lol. I join as PLD for fast queues, I could care less about keeping aggro, the healer can heal up the DPS, it's their job anyway. It's ridiculous that they expect anything from me smh. I pay a sub. I play how I want.

You'd be surprised at how many times I seen a THM do more damage than a BLM.

[Caitlyn]

I know right. Who cares if we can't beat the dps check for normal mode Faust because dps is too low? Who cares if the tank can't keep aggro and wipes the group? Oh yeah and those healers who can't keep the party alive? They pay a sub so they should be able to play however they want.

Thats the point. Thank you : )

And others who see anything said about them as nothing but an attack on their person.

"You should better enable your tank stance" (me to new paladin)
- "STFU!!! YOU RE NOT MY MOM!!!"

It's like if you played a competitive match in Overwatch; you picked Reinhardt (or any other character) and another picked Mercy, but the Mercy only ran around with her pistol shooting enemies instead of healing saying "I play how I want" excuses instead of playing how she was intended.

I pick Symmetra, because its fun to watch people BUUUURN under my lasers. And I dont need to aim lol >: D


Seriously, there is actually nothing wrong, to let player to play the game like they want. It just becomes a problem, when you unnecessarily impede your own teammates with your "unique playstyle". FFXIV (and Overwatch of course) is a 90% teambased game. If you choose a specific role, YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR **** JOB! Otherwise, please quit FFXIV and play Nier: Automata, Horizon Zero Dawn or Zelda - Breath of the Wild instead.

This whole "I pay sub, I play like I want"-discussion is present since SE stopped to implement challenging (not hard) content. The normal (casual?) content becomes easier with each patch since Heavensward. To be honest, I really try not to blame people who doesnt have a job crystal equipped or having extremely low gear or doesnt even know how to play the game, because the game didnt tell them.

Just a small example: back in 2.1, you have to go Amdapor Keep for your relic weapon. Some people will remember the good old demon wall with adds (2nd boss), which was actually pretty hard to beat. At this point, the game told you, not to give up and put a lot of effort into the game (your class, equipment, playstyle, s.o.). And there was no toxic behavior at this point, because it so hard, that a wipe wasnt that bad.

About 3 years later with 3.5, you have "Expert" (!) Dungeons. Ironically, 99% of those dungeons can be done without any problems, no matter how you play the game or if you ignore every boss mechanic. You can watch your favorite TV-show, while mashing 2 or 3 buttons and let your other teammates or your fairy do the job. The game told you, you can beat the game, no matter what you do. You can imagine what will happen, when those people face "harder" content like Weeping City or even Ex Primals. Wiping in such easy dungeons/fights results in insults, flames and a lot more toxic behavior.

And speaking of discussions: All those "Healers must do DPS"-discussions are the result, why FFXIV became so damn easy. Some healers are forced to do extra damage, because there is actually nothing to heal. Neither in "Expert" Dungeons, nor in Alexander Savage (A9S for example). No matter if tank, DD or healer: the only thing that counts is DPS. DPS everywhere. For DPS-Checks, for speedruns, for fflogs, for everything.

Sorry for this small Wall of Text ^^.

[KarstenS]

Get over it and stop crying. People can play this game however they feel. If DF is THAT much of an issue for you try going in with a fixed party. Everyone pays a fee just like you, regardless if they live up to your "standard" of skill.

And the result is: More and more skilled players do not join DF and PF groups and the players who are left over are not able to clear that content at all, even these, who would be able to do it.

Latest example was Zurvan Ex, where you could see this already very clear.

Do you really think this is a good direction for the game?

[LalaRu]

And the result is: More and more skilled players do not join DF and PF groups and the players who are left over are not able to clear that content at all, even these, who would be able to do it...

I think skilled players that were queuing before will continue do so, because they are there for the bonuses rather than redo some piece of content they already know. If meet with leafs is an annoyance, it is the price to pay for bonuses.

As long as everyday I see countless threads about how duties are facerolls and healers can just go cleric fulltime, I'm quite sure those "leftovers" will complete them anyway.

[Driavna]

I think skilled players that were queuing before will continue do so, because they are there for the bonuses rather than redo some piece of content they already know. If meet with leafs is an annoyance, it is the price to pay for bonuses.

As long as everyday I see countless threads about how duties are facerolls and healers can just go cleric fulltime, I'm quite sure those "leftovers" will complete them anyway.

For now, if at some point Square follows Blizzard with a new dungeon difficulty not included inside DF GL HF for those "I don't give a flaying fuxx".

[KarstenS]

I think skilled players that were queuing before will continue do so.

I can tell you, they are getting less and less. I'm one of them and know alot others that even do expert roulette in a premade party since some time.

With a twink I did A9S and A10S in Raidfinder some weeks. But with the release of cross server PF... this was my last week I did this content with ramdom people.

As already said: Zurvan Ex is a good explample to see the direction of the community. Its far the easiest primal we got in Heavensward.

What do you think is the reason, why its working so terrible in PF? The "skip soar" is prominent, but not the issue. Its also not the level of "challange" that made it this worse. Its because the most people in PF parties were people, that are just not ready to do this kind of content (The "I pay my sub and play like I want" fraction) and the left overs. The amount of skilled veterans is shrinking more and more and the successfull "carries" get less and less.

Sorry to say, but there were alot carries in the past and this is one of the main reasons, why people lose thrust in random parties.

Today more and more of the skilled players are organized in linkshells and friendlists. Like before we got the duty and party finder at all.

Its very similar to the JP system. The difference is: they use blacklists. We use whitelists.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I think skilled players that were queuing before will continue do so, because they are there for the bonuses rather than redo some piece of content they already know. If meet with leafs is an annoyance, it is the price to pay for bonuses.

As long as everyday I see countless threads about how duties are facerolls and healers can just go cleric fulltime, I'm quite sure those "leftovers" will complete them anyway.

Yes and no. Currently, tomestones are gifted like candy. As a raider, I usually capped within the first day. In fact, I ran Expert Roulette less than thirty times since 3.5 dropped what, six months ago?

If it reaches a point where the player skill gap is large enough, better players won't queue. I noticed the last few patches queue times have declined considerably. So that mindset may already be in motion. This isn't an elitist stance either; before anyone attempts to argue otherwise. People don't want to bother with groups who can't be bothered to learn the very basics of their job by max level.