Silver chest farming in PotD, harassed by speedrunners. (More ingored PvE harassment)

[Vidu]

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What you're describing I would actually consider harrassment and very childish behaviour - however if the majority wants to progress and not look for chests and expresses that desire in a civilised manner ("Please come to the lamp, we would like to go on") it isnt harrassment since no on in PotD has to go out of their way to get chests for you. By running off alone why three other people are waiting at the teleporter, you're activley holding those three people back, thats not okay either.

The simple conflict of intrest that might present itself in PotD doesnt make one side the bad guys and the other one the holy saints - no one is "right" or "wrong" in their desire how to tackle this content. How that desire is expressed is relevant however. Coming to a mutual agreement is relevant - and yes, that agreement can be "The majority would like to do it this way, please follow".
People throwing a tantrum - on either side, wether they want chests or not - are in the wrong and if someone actually resorts to harrassing and griefing you should report them.
But, again: Simply saying "No, three of us dont want to go after silver chests, so we'll be heading straight for the next floor" is neither harrassment nor griefing.

A lot of people are also assuming 3 v1 cases and I do not know why, what about 2 v 2 cases?
3>1 if the 1 is a speedrunner, 1 >3 if the one is wants chests, you can't majority harass someone for not speedrunning, that is not right on them. You need all 4 to agree to speedrun to speed run in DF, you can't grief people's progress because you want to save 5 minutes, that is insanely selfish.

And why is it that someone who doesnt want to explore the whole floor has to go out of their way?
Person A&C want chests. Person B&D wants exp (and would therefor like to proceed faster). By your logic everyone has to go after chests now (they even have to go after chests if only Person A wants them), but why?
My personal proposal would always be a compromisse - maybe something like "We will be looking for chests on the first 5 floors and skip right to the lamp on the last 5" - how does that sound to you?
The real solution here is always to find a way that works for the majority of the group and benefits the most of the present people.
If you have one person (from either side btw!) that is extremly uncooperative and resorts to harrassing and active griefing: remove and report them.
Try to reach an agreement with your group - but be willing to go out of your own way aswell. Dont go into DF and expect everyone to obey to your rules and goals.

[dragonseth07]

I am stating examples because for whatever reason, people are saying the harassment is okay because in those parties, there was a majority.

Harassment is always bad. What we're saying is that 3 people wanting to get on with a floor instead of exploring everything isn't harassment.

Actual harassment is not part of this conversation.

[Jijifli]

What you're describing I would actually consider harrassment and very childish behaviour - however if the majority wants to progress and not look for chests and expresses that desire in a civilised manner ("Please come to the lamp, we would like to go on") it isnt harrassment since no on in PotD has to go out of their way to get chests for you. By running off alone why three other people are waiting at the teleporter, you're activley holding those three people back, thats not okay either.

The simple conflict of intrest that might present itself in PotD doesnt make one side the bad guys and the other one the holy saints - no one is "right" or "wrong" in their desire how to tackle this content. How that desire is expressed is relevant however. Coming to a mutual agreement is relevant - and yes, that agreement can be "The majority would like to do it this way, please follow".
People throwing a tantrum - on either side, wether they want chests or not - are in the wrong and if someone actually resorts to harrassing and griefing you should report them.
But, again: Simply saying "No, three of us dont want to go after silver chests, so we'll be heading straight for the next floor" is neither harrassment nor griefing.

So if a member wants chests, and the other three go, "We want a speedrun. Get in the circle or we kick," you're saying that's fine. Alright. But if I go, "I want chests. I'm just going to peek into rooms since I need the upgrades," it's not okay, because I hold 3 people hostage. To start, it'd go much faster to get the chests. In fact, when I DO make a party for chest farming, they're the fastest runs I have. Isn't that funny? When people actually do stuff instead of standing around throwing a fit in party chat, things get done. Who knew?

And as I stated before, none have been nice. I've been harassed both in and out of palace for going to get a chest. And if chat's anything to go by, I've been reported for getting chests. It is childish to do completely nothing because someone didn't agree with you on it, therefor making the run take longer no matter what.

Seriously, what would you rather do. Spend 2 minutes getting the guy's chest, or 10 waiting on him? Because people would rather say nasty stuff.

Harassment is always bad. What we're saying is that 3 people wanting to get on with a floor instead of exploring everything isn't harassment.

Actual harassment is not part of this conversation.

I'm saying people saying nasty stuff in the chat because someone wanted chests is bad. If it irritates you so badly, you can kick without a word and say different playstyles. People don't have to call other's things that can get them punched in the face for over it.

[Ama_Hamada]

What you're describing I would actually consider harrassment and very childish behaviour - however if the majority wants to progress and not look for chests and expresses that desire in a civilised manner ("Please come to the lamp, we would like to go on") it isnt harrassment since no on in PotD has to go out of their way to get chests for you. By running off alone why three other people are waiting at the teleporter, you're activley holding those three people back, thats not okay either.
The simple conflict of intrest that might present itself in PotD doesnt make one side the bad guys and the other one the holy saints - no one is "right" or "wrong" in their desire how to tackle this content. How that desire is expressed is relevant however. Coming to a mutual agreement is relevant - and yes, that agreement can be "The majority would like to do it this way, please follow".
People throwing a tantrum - on either side, wether they want chests or not - are in the wrong and if someone actually resorts to harrassing and griefing you should report them.
But, again: Simply saying "No, three of us dont want to go after silver chests, so we'll be heading straight for the next floor" is neither harrassment nor griefing.

It is harassment and greifing because it hinders progress of the person that needs the silvers. Greifing over 5 minutes of saved time is not right, esp when in the DF, if you want to speed run, use PF!!! It also enters even more harassment when you start verbally abusing people and MPK over it. So now you are wasting more time greifing then what you aim to save over speedrunning, why? Making up excuses to defend toxicity because you think 5 minutes of time is more valuable then someone's progress. That is wrong.

[ReplicaX]

That is correct, and the toxicity is greatly showing in this thread.

I'm sorry but your opinion has been heavily biased from the start based on your own personal needs of POTD. You are dictating that need as if its set in stone how everyone should run the content.

Even more so when you stated the only objective in POTD is:

it is there to give people an alternative to get a weapon, the EXP is supposed to be just a side bonus, not greif people out of getting silvers.

[Vidu]

So if a member wants chests, and the other three go, "We want a speedrun. Get in the circle or we kick," you're saying that's fine. Alright. But if I go, "I want chests. I'm just going to peek into rooms since I need the upgrades," it's not okay, because I hold 3 people hostage.

Yes, if three people are saying "Please get over here, we want to progress" and you go off because your own personal progression is more important to you than the goals/needs/intrests of the group you are hindering their progression. It doesnt matter if it takes 2, 5, 10 or 30 minutes. In that very moment you are the one person being uncooperative.
Saying "It only takes two minutes to go over there and get the chest to be over with it" is asking the other people to give up on their intrest to proceed imidiatly - it takes you zero time to get in the circle and proceed with them, but that conflicts your intrest. See the problem? Its not about whos right or wrong because there is no right or wrong way to do this...

Again, I'm, personally am all for finding a mutual agreement or making a compromissive, but that requires both parties to see that they're not initially having morale high ground just because of their goal.
Getting chests is okay.
Not getting chests is okay too.
And its up to the people present to decide in a civilised manner what to do - and that might require both parts to sacrifice something.

[dragonseth07]

So if a member wants chests, and the other three go, "We want a speedrun. Get in the circle or we kick," you're saying that's fine. Alright. But if I go, "I want chests. I'm just going to peek into rooms since I need the upgrades," it's not okay, because I hold 3 people hostage.

Let's start with a simple premise: each player's experience and desire is equally important. Sound good? Then, this right here is true, because when everyone is equal, the fairest thing to do is go by majority.

One person's desire for chests is valuable. So is another's desire for a faster clear. No one is more important than the other. So, majority rules, whatever way it swings.

[dragonseth07]

It is harassment and greifing because it hinders progress of the person that needs the silvers. Greifing over 5 minutes of saved time is not right, esp when in the DF, if you want to speed run, use PF!!! It also enters even more harassment when you start verbally abusing people and MPK over it. So now you are wasting more time greifing then what you aim to save over speedrunning, why? Making up excuses to defend toxicity because you think 5 minutes of time is more valuable then someone's progress. That is wrong.

You could make the same argument about skipping optional trash in dungeons when someone is still leveling their character. It's not harassment to want to progress. It's not griefing to want to progress. My desire is just as important as yours in a group. Equally important, in fact.

Say it with me now: It's harassment to HARASS someone over a difference in playstyle. It's not harassment to HAVE a difference in playstyle. It's griefing to GRIEF someone over a difference in playstyle. It's not griefing to HAVE a difference in playstyle.

[Ama_Hamada]

You could make the same argument about skipping optional trash in dungeons when someone is still leveling their character. It's not harassment to want to progress. It's not griefing to want to progress. My desire is just as important as yours in a group. Equally important, in fact.Say it with me now: It's harassment to HARASS someone over a difference in playstyle. It's not harassment to HAVE a difference in playstyle. It's griefing to GRIEF someone over a difference in playstyle. It's not griefing to HAVE a difference in playstyle.

No it is not, you explain the clear bonus and entering again is more exp, or explaining you get better exp doing other things when you do the daily. It is not greifing someone's progress. It is also a bigger difference then PotD "speed running" speedrunners greifing take more time to clear it then if they would just help with chests. The point you are missing is this is not a difference of play style, it is PREVENTING SOMEONE'S PROGRESS, THAT IS GREFING AND HARASSMENT! Comparing it to exp gain is a joke, you can get exp gain off anything, you can't get silvers from another source, try to solo floor 51 on 20/20, i dare you.

Yes, if three people are saying "Please get over here, we want to progress" and you go off because your own personal progression is more important to you than the goals/needs/intrests of the group you are hindering their progression. It doesnt matter if it takes 2, 5, 10 or 30 minutes. In that very moment you are the one person being uncooperative.
Saying "It only takes two minutes to go over there and get the chest to be over with it" is asking the other people to give up on their intrest to proceed imidiatly - it takes you zero time to get in the circle and proceed with them, but that conflicts your intrest. See the problem? Its not about whos right or wrong because there is no right or wrong way to do this...

Again, I'm, personally am all for finding a mutual agreement or making a compromissive, but that requires both parties to see that they're not initially having morale high ground just because of their goal.
Getting chests is okay.
Not getting chests is okay too.
And its up to the people present to decide in a civilised manner what to do - and that might require both parts to sacrifice something.

The issue is that does not happen. What ends up happening is that speedrunners greif the people that want chests. They will not help at all, they want to sit afk for not doing what they want, they MPK, they intentionally fail runs. The speedrunners make no effort in compromise, that is what I been trying to explain all this time with the toxic problem.

[Atlaworks]

Thal's balls, how the hell is this still going?