The New Chat Restriction in The Feast

[Ama_Hamada]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...pen-set-styles

Initial Post: 01-13-2017
First Rep Response: 01-18-2017, Page 8: Request for more feedback.
Latest Rep Response: 03-22-2017, Page 56: Positive response to player feedback, developers moving forward with the idea.http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...n-in-The-Feast

Initial Post: 11-25-2016
First Rep Response: 01-26-2017, Page 40: Developers making “adjustments”, request for more feedback
Latest Rep Response: 03-14-2017, Page 2 of an entirely different thread, http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...added-in-feast: Previously mentioned adjustment only now planning to be added, no acknowledgement of actual player’s concerns and feedback, further mention of “adjustments” despite clear and frequent negative feedback.

I can't be the only one seeing how wildly different these matters have been handled, can I?

I do not understand the lack of response when there was this:

Hello again, Eorzeans.

We appreciate your continued feedback on the subject of unlocking the variances in appearance of the Hempen set across all races.

It looks like an overwhelming majority of you are very interested in this! As such, we have forwarded this feedback to the development team. In response, they would like to let you know that they are considering this for a future update!

I am really glad they are doing something about that, giving what people want but I would think this pvp chat is more important seeing 1. They forced an update down on us that we did not want. 2. PvE is more toxic then PvP is. (proof even on this website since I have now 3 direct insults to me with regarding PvE issues on this forum, while one was tag harassment and I wish I knew how to report that, while none in the pvp section.) 3. Directly effects game balance when that is just cosmic, and lastly thread made : 01-13-2017 when it got a response today.

I need to really ask yoshi-p, what gives in this poor customer service?

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Oh I wasn't pointing out a lack of response. I was simply showing it took 5 days versus 2 months (I said 3 erroneously before) for them to respond to that player feedback, and even though they gave the same "give us your feedback" bit, even then, they were answered 2 months later with word that developers are literally working the idea in. However with the Feast's far-more-important chat, we get half-baked additions no one requested, and the core problem continuously ignored.

Based on what Yoshi P may have to say when he does address it, I may or may not completely drop the Feast entirely. If they won't listen, I won't support it.

[Kai_Lee]

SE follows the money trail and that is currently PvE players base, they keep the lights on at SE. So it makes sense they respond to them quick.

[Zojha]

I was simply showing it took 5 days versus 2 months (I said 3 erroneously before) for them to respond to that player feedback[...]

Mhm... technically...
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-underwear%21?

It took them "a tad" longer.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

It did, but at least they got a positive response. Did we ever actually get one yet, or did we just get questionable "additions" to the Feast and still none of the needed "adjustments"? (This isn't counting Yoshi P's coming post about it)

[Zojha]

Nope, no positive response so far. It's wait and see until Yoshi does his post.

One can speculate of course what he'll say. Personally, I assume he'll give people a long explanation on what caused them to implement this anti-feature, what they hope to achieve with it, what data they've gathered on it so far and what they intend to do with in the near future.

It'll be interesting to read, I'm sure. I'd brace for disappointment however - "I'm planning to address this in a forum post." reads more like:"I'll give my views on it." than "I'll revert it and apologize."

We'll see.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I'm definitely not expecting a complete undo, but it'd be interesting to get his take on it, given that he professes to love PvP as well.

[Ama_Hamada]

Oh I wasn't pointing out a lack of response. I was simply showing it took 5 days versus 2 months (I said 3 erroneously before) for them to respond to that player feedback, and even though they gave the same "give us your feedback" bit, even then, they were answered 2 months later with word that developers are literally working the idea in. However with the Feast's far-more-important chat, we get half-baked additions no one requested, and the core problem continuously ignored.

Based on what Yoshi P may have to say when he does address it, I may or may not completely drop the Feast entirely. If theywon't listen, I won't support it.

As your next posts shown it was not 5 days but yeah we are talking about the same thing. First they got a faster reply, and top things off got a positive response. I really like to know why they are ignoring us while making a drastic change to the game of PvP, taking the chat out when more toxicity exists in PvE!!!! and the thing is some people post about it on the forums "I am going to kick you if you try to give advice to someone because we are lacking AoE damage"

Someone tried to pull such thing on my friend the other day, not kick her for it but the advice giving. She noticed right away there was a lack of AoE dps and since she did not know mnk, she asked the novice network what a 50 mnk should do then quoted it in the pt chat with the next line "please more AoE dps" no one said anything and the monk listened and stuff died a LOT quicker.

So then they get to the boss and she tells how defeat it since the spears where not dying fast enough. So she explained the spears needed to be killed and they ended up wiping anyway because the spears couldn't be killed fast enough while the healer got overwhelmed by it (so was a part healer issue too) Then as my friend was talking about how do it properly so they did not wipe and asking questions what happened basically since the spears where being killed, the tank says "STOP" she asked stop what? the tank replies "just stop" so she saw him as a liability, preventing or trying to prevent talk of strategy and motioned to kick them and ended up passing. The healer left and my friend got 2 replacements from the novice network and the DF went smoothly after that.

Point is toxicity is rampant in PvE, the only reason people don't talk about it a lot is because people do not talk. People in general in PvE have an attitude of, if something is passable, then nothing needs to be said. They do not care of helping people that may not know better and seem to lack motivation in speaking. I seen this myself as well, good example is a dun run I did. A new person, a tank, PLD i think died like 5 times before asking "got any tips I am new" since I was sorta heal carrying, meaning I was doing more work then I should be doing, it was hard for me to speak. But I managed to get out "first thing is telling us at the start since it is hard for me to explain now but ill try" Then I was trying to quick chat like " run away" "get to ice now" so on. I made other comments too like " dang it almost died from trying to explain x" basically trying to express how hard it is what I was doing because he couldn't speak up at the start. He then started getting snippy at me and oh boy did the others get on that person's back real fast as they prob seen how much I was doing for the fight WHILE explaining things. After that fight was kicked just as fast.

What is the point in explaining this? In PvE the toxicity of players tends to be more hidden because no one speaks. When someone does speak however it becomes a S*** show and rage quitting and flaming just because of a wipe. When people say there is so little toxicity in pve, what they are really saying is "There is little toxicity and little talking in PvE when everyone knows what to do. We do not dare give advice on people unless they ask for it. It is too hard to speak first and most of the time if a new person is not asking, they are just going to lash out anyway. Be sure to do things that is expected so we do not have to get in heated arguments and MPK when you do or say something that is considered not normal. Do not speak out on people trolling, like bringing a level 100 weapon to places that require 230+ average, they do not have to follow your standards. If people want to speed run, while you want silvers, expect to find silvers solo as the speed runners afk at the gate up rune. Also being kicked randomly by premades is not an issue because it is rare."

If you do not want to do the same things the group does, like speed run in deep vs getting silvers, there is heavy uncooperative arguments. I do not like SE blaming PvP for the toxicity as it shows they are unaware how bad PvE can get. I even seen people MPK and intentionally fail runs, and the worst one I seen of that nature is a full party trolling on ozma. about 14 people came and go before we finally passed the thing because of it.

Yet all these problems are ignored, not admit they exist, and just cut off a basic feature in PvP? I am really insulted by the Dev team over this. I am really offended they did not do anything to the DF to prevent gear trolling bypassing and yet take the chat away.

[CyrilLucifer]

Just bumping in my support for removal.

There's been a SCH on Aether queueing recently. He has 7k HP and some 120 gear; the only way he gets over 150 is because he has a 235 PotD weapon.

I want to tell this person, respectfully, in order to have survivability as a healer he needs to have gear at least at the cap and a vitality accessory or two. I wish to advise him that he needs to focus on healing or crowd control if he's going to be a healer; this isn't PvE where the SCH is going to spend most of their time DPSing - because this is what he does. Also, don't use your PvE raise in PvP (Yes. In Feast.) Instead with him on our team we're basically forced to eat a loss because he doesn't have the HP to survive, nor does he do anything productive for the group.

I genuinely want to help this person become a better player. Instead, with him queueing as he is, it makes me not want to queue at all.

This chat limitation is stopping constructive advice and communication. It's not fair for a few players with hurt feelings, who probably wouldn't even be playing PvP in the first place, to limit the entire playerbase.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Bring back Feast chat.