DualShocker Interview - 3.5 pt 2 next week, supposedly

[Ultimatecalibur]

The only encounter that even comes close to that in FFXIV is that boss in Pharos Sirius that spawns dogs at certain HP percentages.

Symond the Unsinkable, Zu and (to a lesser extent) the Siren are cases where to much dps makes the fight harder as you end up pushing add phases into mechanics/AoE phases.

SE also has a bad habit of making fights with fairly short enrage timers and where the longer you take the harder the fight gets. Savage Cruise Chaser is a good example of this as every skipped limit cut reduces the damage it deals in later phases. More dps doesn't just allow you to skip mechanics it actively makes the later mechanics easier.

In order for being defensive/playing it safe to be a viable strategy the longer a fight goes on the easier it needs to get. If Cruise Chaser started with X damage up buff stacks at the start, lost one each time it did limit cut and an enrage happened when it does limit cut when it has no stacks you would have a fight where dps is important but the fight gets harder if you focus on dps to much but you still need a minimum amount of dps.

[Zojha]

Symond the Unsinkable, Zu and (to a lesser extent) the Siren are cases where to much dps makes the fight harder as you end up pushing add phases into mechanics/AoE phases.

Ifrit EX straight wipes you if you deal too much damage and accidentally push past a nail phase. It is pretty much the only wipe cause in unsync.

We have several fights in this game actually that punish you for having good or well geared DPS players and/or excellent healers/tanks, mostly old ones. And the big question is: Why exactly are you punishing players for taking part in the vertical progression you offer and why exactly are you punishing players for playing their job well...?

With all due respect: The notion is pretty perverse. You should reward people for playing their jobs to the fullest and gearing up, not punish them for it. It should make fights easier, not harder as you suggest. It doesn't even solve the issue, because the meta for those fights doesn't become to take it slow, it's to go full speed until you hit the stop sign, wait, then go full speed again and rinse/repeat until you can safely full speed to the end.

It just seems like a helpless attempt to achieve something without addressing the actual issues.

[St0rmchild]

Ifrit EX straight wipes you if you deal too much damage and accidentally push past a nail phase. It is pretty much the only wipe cause in unsync.

We have several fights in this game actually that punish you for having good or well geared DPS players and/or excellent healers/tanks, mostly old ones. And the big question is: Why exactly are you punishing players for taking part in the vertical progression you offer and why exactly are you punishing players for playing their job well...?

You're not being punished for overgearing/being gud, you're being punished for cheesing the fight (pushing through and thereby disregarding mechanics phases)

[loreleidiangelo]

You're not being punished for overgearing/being gud, you're being punished for cheesing the fight (pushing through and thereby disregarding mechanics phases)

Have you actually done Ifrit EX when it was current? That and T7 were notorious for having parts where you'd basically have to stop attacking or else you hard-wiped (Ifrit) or had a phase transition so awkward it 99% of the time led to a wipe (Melusine). T7 in particular had a lot of skilled raiders complaining about the awful phase push once their DPS started to get decked out in full 110s. All mechanics were being done properly, there was no "cheese" involved. (How would you even cheese those fights, anyway?)

[LalaRu]

... you'd basically have to stop attacking or else you hard-wiped (Ifrit) ... a lot of skilled raiders complaining about the awful phase ...

I think skilled raiders did not get wiped, because skilled raiders, when nails comes out, instantly goes to them to get rid of them. Most likely, some raider were not so much 'skilled' and continuing dps Ifrit at that time. Being geared and being skilled has proven multiple times not being correlated.

[aleph_null]

I think skilled raiders did not get wiped, because skilled raiders, when nails comes out, instantly goes to them to get rid of them. Most likely, some raider were not so much 'skilled' and continuing dps Ifrit at that time. Being geared and being skilled has proven multiple times not being correlated.

You don't get it lol, without holding back dps you won't even see the nails. The phase skips directly to the ulti attack even before the nails appear. Same thing with levi, you have to hold back until the balls appear, if you keep dpsing normally levi will do the ulti before the balls appear.

It's stupid that the mechanics that determine an instant wipe is skippable.

[Ririta]

Personally I've never had problems with Ifrit and Leviathan's phases when they were current. T6, T7 and Ramuh on the other hand were pure BS as they weren't just a case of being overgeared (holding back in T6 and T7 at i90 was just depressing)

[Ultimatecalibur]

You don't get it lol, without holding back dps you won't even see the nails. The phase skips directly to the ulti attack even before the nails appear. Same thing with levi, you have to hold back until the balls appear, if you keep dpsing normally levi will do the ulti before the balls appear.

There was a tell for when the nail phase begins, it is very easy for melee dps to miss, but right before a nail phase begins a ring of flames will appear in front of Ifrits head. The long animation from the auto-attack cleave flame breath would delay this tell and the tell's long animation (and its quote text) often gave dps not paying attention enough time to push through the relatively small phase window.

It's stupid that the mechanics that determine an instant wipe is skippable.

Which is why in later fights the boss' have much more obvious phase transitions, much larger hp buffers or gain damage immunity, and when an add phase can be skip the wipe doesn't trigger.

[LalaRu]

It's stupid that the mechanics that determine an instant wipe is skippable.

If you wipe, that haven't skipped. You skipped the "save me" button before it, instead.

[Iromi]

You're not being punished for overgearing/being gud, you're being punished for cheesing the fight (pushing through and thereby disregarding mechanics phases)

So what is the point of getting better gear and being stronger? Is it not to make previous fights easier? What reward do we get for working hard obtaining better gear? All it does in fights like that is hinder mechanics. In any other mmo I played or game for that matter, it def made fights easier and impossible to fail...in this game it causes instant wipe. Kind of sad.