New player... Archer for now need some advice.

[GunksFoy]

I would count "lower aggro generation" as an "aggro ability". to say it's not your job to watch your own aggro is completely false. it's also completely false to claim it is the tank's job either. Tanks can't control YOUR enmity in any way, shape, or form. So why is it fair to claim it's their job to?

No, a tank's "job" is to GENERATE their OWN enmity. there's a huge difference here.

Guess you missed the part where I said "if they are using their aggro dump, it isn't their fault". A tank literally has one job, hold aggro. Therefore, watching aggro is, in fact, their job.

[Fluffernuff]

Guess you missed the part where I said "if they are using their aggro dump, it isn't their fault". A tank literally has one job, hold aggro. Therefore, watching aggro is, in fact, their job.

if this is about "missing parts" then you missed the part where i said that generating my own enmity is different than "watching aggro"



it's my job to be at the top, sure, but it's NOT my job to make sure you're 4th or 8th. That's the huge difference, here.

If things are as you say, then NIN wouldn't be a staple raid pick. Shadewalker and smokescreen are HIGHLY valued for aggro control. Is NIN a tank? No? guess it isn't their job to watch aggro, then.

I took issue with your claim that DPS don't have a responsibility over their own aggro. You do. I can't control your aggro. You can. It's not my job to babysit you.


Out-DPSing the tank's aggro generation even with those tools is a different story, though I'll concede that point. There are a whole slew of reasons why a tank might not actually be able to hold that emnity. However, that point wasn't one I was arguing.

I might be able to know what i'm doing, but good luck to me if I try to tank Qarn on a PLD with a half-competent BLM. Heck, a 280 weapon+270 augmented shire BLM in Ex roulette is going to give any newly 230 tank alot of issues. Issues they don't have the tools handle.


We agreed before that constantly fighting for aggro is detrimental for the group, so if you generate that much aggro(sometimes its unfortunately unavoidable), you put yourself in an awkward situation. continuing to blatantly disregard the chaos you are causing because "its not my job, tank sucks, GG" harms everyone. Is your DPS you're losing by cooling off and letting things go under control worth crippling your melees? is it worth taxing the healer or possibly getting their buttcheeks cleaved apart? is it worth potentially killing yourself for?

Fact is, the moment you pull aggro when it's "not your job to have it" makes it your repsonsibility to handle it while you're getting your face beat in. However, DPS as a whole is ill eqiupped to deal with having aggro. this is why they have tools to at least try to remove it. Sounds like it's your responsibility to avoid stepping in your tank's shoes for your own sake.



All I'm really taking issue with is when you say the DPS doesn't have responsibility over aggro. It's just so blatantly false and it "triggers" me. is that the buzzword now? I think it's the buzzword now. In any case, I hope you don't take my tone as aggressive against you, because I'm really not. This aggro discussion might be better off in it's own thread, I fear it's a bit off topic. I apologize for initiating it.