New player... Archer for now need some advice.

[GunksFoy]

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree that pulling is annoying if done intentionally, thus why I always use Quelling Strikes when I can, but there is something gratifying about ripping the boss off the tank during my opener despite Quelling Strikes being up the entire time.

[Knahli]

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree that pulling is annoying if done intentionally, thus why I always use Quelling Strikes when I can, but there is something gratifying about ripping the boss off the tank during my opener despite Quelling Strikes being up the entire time.

I'll never understand this sentiment *laughs*. Stealing aggro says nothing other than one of the following:

-Tank wasn't paying that much attention
-Tank is undergeared relative to the DPS
-Tank stumbled at the controls

If I ever rip aggro as a Bard I feel like I did something wrong because I wasn't paying attention to the aggro bars and sometimes go as far as to apologise for doing so. Though, admittedly, if I am a Tank I feel responsible for losing it in the first place, normally because I essentially go on auto pilot and lost it due to negligence.

[GunksFoy]

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If you're pulling off an undergeared tank, nothing you can do about that except try to slow down a bit, and there's nothing good about that. If a dps is using their aggro dump, I.e Quelling, and they pull, it's never their fault. It's not my job to watch aggro, that's why tanks have aggro abilities and I don't. If the tank is losing due to laziness/negligence, I have no sympathy. I play my jobs to the best of my ability at all times, so when another player isn't doing the same, I refuse to feel bad.

[Fluffernuff]

If you're pulling off an undergeared tank, nothing you can do about that except try to slow down a bit, and there's nothing good about that. If a dps is using their aggro dump, I.e Quelling, and they pull, it's never their fault. It's not my job to watch aggro, that's why tanks have aggro abilities and I don't. If the tank is losing due to laziness/negligence, I have no sympathy. I play my jobs to the best of my ability at all times, so when another player isn't doing the same, I refuse to feel bad.

I would count "lower aggro generation" as an "aggro ability". to say it's not your job to watch your own aggro is completely false. it's also completely false to claim it is the tank's job either. Tanks can't control YOUR enmity in any way, shape, or form. So why is it fair to claim it's their job to?

No, a tank's "job" is to GENERATE their OWN enmity. there's a huge difference here.

[Neela]

I'll never understand this sentiment *laughs*. Stealing aggro says nothing other than one of the following:

-Tank wasn't paying that much attention
-Tank is undergeared relative to the DPS
-Tank stumbled at the controls

If I ever rip aggro as a Bard I feel like I did something wrong because I wasn't paying attention to the aggro bars and sometimes go as far as to apologise for doing so. Though, admittedly, if I am a Tank I feel responsible for losing it in the first place, normally because I essentially go on auto pilot and lost it due to negligence.

or and thats what im encountering lately very often... they throw out only 1x enmity rota and than switch to dps rota or even try to tank off stance... it's getting trendy and I don't know why... I never used Quelling in dailys because I never had to... but nowadays I have to... cause tanks, like healers are thinking their task is to deal as much dmg as they can. which is good if they don't fuck up everyone else while doing this – also I noticed that they only focus on the current mob target... what is really bad if you have a high geared Blm or Smn in your grp... I got much mob attention after every single Deathflare... and like Fluffer said I won't hold back just because of some extra-tank dps - it's my job to deal dmg and my own goal to stay on top of the DD enmity bar, yours is to hold that mob aggro no matter how strong your DDs seems to be. ^^