On Xelphatol and the Actual Summoner.

[MagiusNecros]

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XIV lore reasons are all well and good but every other FF game in the franchise has Bio specifically listed as Black Magic. Try again.

[Doluka]

XIV lore reasons are all well and good but every other FF game in the franchise has Bio specifically listed as Black Magic. Try again.

Except lore reasons for something in this specific game are entirely valid. Series history has only ever been referential for further titles, such as numerous spells becoming Green Magic in XII. Nothing that was in one title has ever had to be exactly the same in another to be implemented. Square has done this numerous times in the past, including both XI and XIV as well as several of the single player entries. His argument is fine.

[MagiusNecros]

Except lore reasons for something in this specific game are entirely valid. Series history has only ever been referential for further titles, such as numerous spells becoming Green Magic in XII. Nothing that was in one title has ever had to be exactly the same in another to be implemented. Square has done this numerous times in the past, including both XI and XIV as well as several of the single player entries. His argument is fine.

Bio is also considered a Black Magick in XII. Your point? I see little point in bringing up a magic type prominent in Ivalice games. 2 of them. The rest of the franchise has nothing to do with Green Magic.

Try again.

[waifugenerator]

Bio being a Black Magic spell in past FF titles doesn't mean it has to be in XIV. It's arcanima, there's no disputing that if it has been confirmed in-game.

Anyways I don't understand the hate Summoner gets in this game. FF is all about innovation. Summoner was just a glorified BLM in the older (I-IX) titles anyways, and were usually outclassed by endgame when you're fighting superbosses.
I really like the direction SMN is going in too. Bahamut has always been the end all be all summon in FF, so I think it's cool that we can invoke him and use his signature abilities. I hope they expand on the DW Trance mechanic by adding more finishers and such.

and imo the most iconic Summoners in FF rarely relied on summons. Yuna was useful for her high magic stat and her white magic, while Rydia's black magic saw more use until you obtained Bahamut, (unless you're playing the remake, in which double casted flare or meteor beat out Bahamut)