On Xelphatol and the Actual Summoner.

[Silverquick]

Well its a good thing most of you posting on this thread don't seem to represent the SMN community much...

Most everyone I know loves playing the SMN... in fact... there's so many of them they're about as popular as BLM... I did a Diadem the other day and we were packed with Summoners. In fact the Party leader said as much "wow... think we have enough Summoners"...

And I'm running into it more and more often.

This is a strong and powerful Job... I wonder if half the people on this thread have ever played it past level 50... Once you get past level 50 this thing really starts to play like a REAL final fantasy Summoner. With Tera Flare and the whole 9 yards...

Here's the Tera Flare Summon from FF7...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_rylb0G_wM

Here's our Tera Flare...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkq5frZhcSA

Yeah they don't zoom out to a planetary level... but they sure got Deathflare right...

[Neela]

Once you get past level 50 this thing really starts to play like a REAL final fantasy Summoner. With Tera Flare and the whole 9 yards...

Although im a smn in heart – I sadly i kinda disagree on this... your comparison didn't fit well for me : /

Deathflare is nothing to compare with the impact of the offline titles summons - it doesn't feel like the appearance of a mystical powerful being appearing on the battlefield which is iconic for summons. Although I like our true Terra Flare very much (meaning the LB3) - the only real "summon" in FF14 for me right now – it disappoints me that the given FF14 limit-mechanic won't allow us to use it the way we should use it... And even if you get the chance to "unleash the dragon" you have to step back for all the melees and their fatality-moves... meh .____.

[Jandor]

This is a strong and powerful Job... I wonder if half the people on this thread have ever played it past level 50... Once you get past level 50 this thing really starts to play like a REAL final fantasy Summoner. With Tera Flare and the whole 9 yards...

Summoner is a fun class, it's great to play and it feels powerful.
I've argued in the many Summoner threads that it only really needs cosmetic changes and minor tweaks to really get the Summoner feeling.

Past Summoners basically summoned things that did a big attack and then went away, we've got the big attack now but we don't summon anything to do it, we do it ourselves instead. Fun, but not really "summoning".

[Lambdafish]

Well its a good thing most of you posting on this thread don't seem to represent the SMN community much...

How do you know this? Just because my little nametag that says "Main class: Gladiator"? I have SMN at 60, I have played a fair bit of SMN, I know what the job is like, how it plays, and the issues that I have with it. I can change my job at any time and if SMN gets a lot of love in the places that I want I may join this "SMN community" that apparently excludes me.

Having said that, I do agree with your definition of what makes SMN good, and what "feels like a SMN". I think all that needs to happen is animations need to be flashier and more summon focused, the gameplay can stay the same (if a bahamut mirage cast deathflare, rather than us, it would instantly stop a lot of complaints)

[Silverquick]

Having said that, I do agree with your definition of what makes SMN good, and what "feels like a SMN". I think all that needs to happen is animations need to be flashier and more summon focused, the gameplay can stay the same (if a bahamut mirage cast deathflare, rather than us, it would instantly stop a lot of complaints)

Very well, in fairness here... I will also concede a point...


There is one thing I do find incredibly pointless in the Job as well....

Enkindle has a 5 minute recast timer... for a 250 Potency (Garuda) supreme attack... even with Spur and Rouse this thing is lucky to make a 400 potency attack IF THAT. I can do 4-5 Deathflares in the time it takes that thing to refresh and those are 440 potency.

Supposedly this is the level 50 cap ability... akin to the BLM Flare spell. Yeah we got hosed on that one... there is no reasonable person I know that can justify a 5 minute recast timer for a 250 potency attack... you can't no matter how you slice it.

Enkindle either needs to be a 1 minute recast... or the Pets signature attack potency needs to be doubled for a FIVE MINUTE recast on the Enkindle... Then it will truly be a level 50 signature attack.

And I will never argue with any of you regarding glamors and aesthetics to make Summoners more "Flashy".

But the fact does remain..... this is a very fun and powerful class to play and very popular as is...

[magnanimousCynic]

Enkindle has a 5 minute recast timer...

You know the Recast for Enkindle was changed from 5 to 3 minutes with the launch of Heavensward, right? I haven't touched SMN since getting it to 60 and I remember that change.