Why are summoners so neglected?

[Leigaon]

Why I don't get is why do we not use our summons.

While that is good, and I like the idea. I could see performance issues, but maybe you have a good suggestion on how to fix that. We'd loose our pet too? I don't know, it is a good starting point though.

so they function exactly the same? why does SMN get multiple animations for the same attack?...

That's always been the bigger issue for me is that the vocal ones want something that is pretty and do not care about functional or have given up.

"I want Ifrit..no..FIRE KITTY!" and on the side lines I'm yelling "wait, before that...Radiant Shield is for Ifrit only..lets make it party wide" so I was happy when they changed that.

It still is around. "Titan egi is ugly..give me...rock Quokka!" happy lil nugget! ...while I'm all for that I'd like Titan to get a boost itself into party play first.

...And for those of you with "Rose-tinted Glasses" about the "nostalgia that is XI, fricken take them off already, because I asked around and hey guess what, "IT WAS THE SAME FRICKEN THING AS XIV's"...

I'll admit I used to be one of those "Give me Ifrit! Give me Crimson Howl!" then I remember, I don't want to go back to those times. The job itself took too long to develop and in the end it wasn't as great as I remember it when I get to look back.

Ifrit gets summoned, fire circles the ground and he comes up roaring flexing his muscles, just looks evil. Use burning strike, charges up a fire ball meteor and throws it at a bunny in Cape Teriggan. Misses...bunny looks at Ifrit, turns his head almost upside down like Stewie "Who the hell do you think you are?!" Dust Kick! Critical! Double foot attack to the shins, critical! Ifrit dies! He turns to you "You're next..." and you try to summon but you get interrupted as you realize aquaveil does nothing but give you false hope. You die..you level down..you cry...and that's summoner.

Plus there's so much buffing but this isn't a game where we enhance so much we do combos to gain higher attack. Would be nice if we had a lot more party buffs that lasted longer or could be adjusted to last longer.

[Celef]

While that is good, and I like the idea. I could see performance issues, but maybe you have a good suggestion on how to fix that. We'd loose our pet too? I don't know, it is a good starting point though.

What kind of issues ? you mean regarding material config ? With PS3 drop they already warned us that we might need to upgrade our machines ^^"
We'd loose them yes but do we really need to have them with us all the time considering how they look like ^^"

[Leigaon]

What kind of issues ? you mean regarding material config ? With PS3 drop they already warned us that we might need to upgrade our machines ^^"
We'd loose them yes but do we really need to have them with us all the time considering how they look like ^^"

I think with how flashy things get now you're adding in a bigger version of the flashiness already. This is where we have to think like one of the people working on the game, you have X amount of summoners casting a detailed version of Ifrit just to have it go away. What would you have players do to adjust?

Buy a better system? That alone will not be enough, so you have to make a gap, give people time or loose players even more so than now. PS4 will be the next limitation until they do away with that for Pro. It has to be a gradual thing.

To place something like that would be fun, but with the limitations around it. I don't think it could be implemented without draw backs in terms of productivity. In terms of play-style, I like the idea. I like being able to get Primal moves out there or gain access to different elemental abilities, I'd probably stay with Earth though. Earth spells have always been my favorite.

You can take the pets away, but you'd cause an uproar with the population that wants to keep them as a pet class. You may think "Once they see this they'll understand." and I'm sure that's what the team has said about things. I believe if you start a thread that says "Remove summoner pets" and replace them with your link video you'll get just as many people who will leave the game than you would that would come back to the class.

Remember, everything that we want to implement, even my crazy ideas, comes at a price. If you're unable to see the downside, whether big or small, from your decisions you're walking in the dark, and sooner or later you'll walk into a brick wall..or trip over a single one.

This is what the team has to deal with, balance. Not so much in terms of game mechanics, but also in terms of how the population will react. We got carbuncle glamours, SCH's are upset. It was minor but it is there..and now that they've given us an inch we will want a yard. Now that SCH's see their twin brother get something they will sit right down in the isle and scream. Then we will get other jobs, and it will continue.

I do agree we should have something more than Egi's, Carbuncle is a classic summon so that's why I will keep him out forever. I figured we'd get lesser primals to summon at least, but it is what we have and I really can't stand any other DPS at the moment.

To say this again, I don't think your idea is bad. It sure is better and more unique than what I could come up with and please remember it is much easier to criticize than it is to do better. Who knows maybe the devs will see this and implement something, and if so that is wonderful.

[Silverquick]

That's always been the bigger issue for me is that the vocal ones want something that is pretty and do not care about functional or have given up.

"I want Ifrit..no..FIRE KITTY!" and on the side lines I'm yelling "wait, before that...Radiant Shield is for Ifrit only..lets make it party wide" so I was happy when they changed that.

It still is around. "Titan egi is ugly..give me...rock Quokka!" happy lil nugget! ...while I'm all for that I'd like Titan to get a boost itself into party play first.

I'll admit I used to be one of those "Give me Ifrit! Give me Crimson Howl!" then I remember, I don't want to go back to those times. The job itself took too long to develop and in the end it wasn't as great as I remember it when I get to look back.

Yeah I've noticed that too... Right now the SMN is powerful and viable and an excellent soloer. All because of that "booger" pet.

Some of these guys are like well I don't care if I get my ass beat down... as long as I can like... look "kewl" while doing it.

The FFXI Summoner was the I look "kewl" while getting my ass beat...

The FFXIV Summoner is the I'm plain looking but.... kick the crap out of you and the army you brought with you....

Its extremely powerful and viable, and the Pets and combination of abilities allow you to solo things no other class can.

Yet... there are still these people going... but but but... I wanna look kewl while getting my ass beat... that's like better and stuff.

Lol the gimped version of the SMN is the one they're asking for... when the good and powerful version... is the one we're playing right now.

[Ageofwar]

Yeah I've noticed that too... Right now the SMN is powerful and viable and an excellent soloer. All because of that "booger" pet.

Some of these guys are like well I don't care if I get my ass beat down... as long as I can like... look "kewl" while doing it.

The FFXI Summoner was the I look "kewl" while getting my ass beat...

The FFXIV Summoner is the I'm plain looking but.... kick the crap out of you and the army you brought with you....

Its extremely powerful and viable, and the Pets and combination of abilities allow you to solo things no other class can.

Yet... there are still these people going... but but but... I wanna look kewl while getting my ass beat... that's like better and stuff.

Lol the gimped version of the SMN is the one they're asking for... when the good and powerful version... is the one we're playing right now.

The more vocal people seem to want 18+ summons that do the same thing with diffrent animations

The only thing that really need to be done is 3 of the skills need to be renamed and add more to the Egi-glamor system

I mean if they rename Summon I, Summon II, and Summon III to Melee summon, Tank summon and Caster summon and added 12 more egi-glamors SMN with maybe a few more Dreadwyrm Trances and SMN will still be in a good place