Multiple Job Roles Idea

[Ama_Hamada]

There already is a system in place to change specs...

Equip a different weapon / job stone. Ta-da! You were a Tank but now you are a DPS!
The system you mentioned is more designed for games where you can't freely change your class.

that is why I said allow people to change roles and seek for the updated replacements. I think part of this suggestion comes from wow how you can change mid-way in a dungeon so you are not waiting forever for a healer or tank.

Not a problem, unless you want to turn scholar into another braindead "3 button to DPS" healer like white mage and to homogenize summoner by taking away the support options.

Not a problem either, Selene can cleanse and with Eos you can brute heal through any pre 40 debuff that you get besides Doom for obvious reasons.

Yoshida thinks that it's fine for summoner to only have three summons because "all roles are covered" and that he'd rather "add more spells for the summoner" instead of focusing on summons. Besides, we have 3 fully animated egis yet still no way to "glamour" them - they can't even add stuff that's ready already, why do you think that we'd be "true summoners" just because arcanists got deleted?

"Book job"? Why does this even matters. PvP balance - matters as much as not having Leeches (as in, almost nothing).

Why are people so keen in removing fun in the name of "balance" -.- almost as if white mage doesn't exist. They lost everything unique and fun to them in the name of "balance" and look at the result: a weak, boring job.

(sorry if I sound harsh, but this idea that arcanist jobs are broken kind of upsets me as they're the only interesting jobs left)

Why does calling out something broken because it is based on 1.0 upset you? it does NOT WORK!!!! in 2.0 because ACN/SMN/SCH was made from 1.0 ideas that was completely thrown out the window in 2.0.

Yes books matter, the true endgame is glam, I think it is lazy as hell we got what we have out of SMN,SCH, ACN. Books does not fit SCH/ SMN roles.

Yoshida cam think one way, I can think another. I find it funny how you are obsessed with saying people want SCH a 3 button healer job ( I do not you are putting words in my mouth) but fine with the simplicity in summons.

I want to play SCH, not a healer mixed with outdated 1.0 gameplay. I want to be able to actually PvP on SCH, not feeling so damn limited because we got no CC, also leeches 40 can die in a fire. a 60 sec recast on impossible to mico manage is not "not a problem" there is huge issues with that, I can't believe you are blindly defending a broken system just because you wan to accept things for how they are.

If 1.0 did not exist, you would not have SCH/ACN/SMN thing, all of it is based on that version of the game that was completely changed for 2.0 + meaning this current system of SMN and SCH does not fit the current game and shows with the imbalanced glameplay.

[Ririta]

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It is working, that's the problem -.-
It's working so well that I'm disappointed that we aren't getting more. People say that "changing jobs is your spec change", not really, spec changing isn't supposed to take dozens of hours to be usable. And this is the good part of arcanists, I can change between the two without having to grind from level 1.

Scholar is a tactician and has always used books in the series (iirc some summoners could equip books as well). If we consider that the method of materializing egis is the same as Carbuncles, then their magic is arcanima; magic through numbers and equations. A book fits perfectly. Even if it didn't, what else would you have them equip? With red mage coming, we already have three staff weavers.

I don't understand your point on scholar DPS. What would you want for them to get or lose if they got split? I assumed that you wanted to take away the DPS abilities because that's the biggest difference between scholar and other healers, we evolve from a DPS class so half of our spells are designed to DPS.

As for summoner, Don't get me wrong, I'd love to summon Garuda like how we see in Xelphatol. But as I said, Yoshida is not willing to add the Ramuh and Leviathan that we were promised 3 years ago, invented that "glamour thing" so that he wouldn't have to care about adding new spells for each summon and, even though three of them have their models fully animated and are being used in the game (Ramuh, Phoenix, Sephirot), we're still stuck with Carbuncles (that don't even get proper animations for their attacks) and the original three. Let me repeat that - we were promised Ramuh and Leviathan in march 2014, three years ago. The point is: looking at this amount of neglect, do you honestly think that a summoner overhaul is possible?

Why are you so obsessed with Leeches? Thanks to your fairies have much higher healing power than any other healer in low levels so you shouldn't be having any trouble, please help me understand.1.

[Ama_Hamada]

It is working, that's the problem -.-
It's working so well that I'm disappointed that we aren't getting more. People say that "changing jobs is your spec change", not really, spec changing isn't supposed to take dozens of hours to be usable. And this is the good part of arcanists, I can change between the two without having to grind from level 1.
Scholar is a tactician and has always used books in the series (iirc some summoners could equip books as well). If we consider that the method of materializing egis is the same as Carbuncles, then their magic is arcanima; magic through numbers and equations. A book fits perfectly. Even if it didn't, what else would you have them equip? With red mage coming, we already have three staff weavers.

I don't understand your point on scholar DPS. What would you want for them to get or lose if they got split? I assumed that you wanted to take away the DPS abilities because that's the biggest difference between scholar and other healers, we evolve from a DPS class so half of our spells are designed to DPS.

As for summoner, Don't get me wrong, I'd love to summon Garuda like how we see in Xelphatol. But as I said, Yoshida is not willing to add the Ramuh and Leviathan that we were promised 3 years ago, invented that "glamour thing" so that he wouldn't have to care about adding new spells for each summon and, even though three of them have their models fully animated and are being used in the game (Ramuh, Phoenix, Sephirot), we're still stuck with Carbuncles (that don't even get proper animations for their attacks) and the original three. Let me repeat that - we were promised Ramuh and Leviathan in march 2014, three years ago. The point is: looking at this amount of neglect, do you honestly think that a summoner overhaul is possible?

Why are you so obsessed with Leeches? Thanks to your fairies have much higher healing power than any other healer in low levels so you shouldn't be having any trouble, please help me understand.1.

Implying AST or WHM can't dps... okay....
http://www.ffcompendium.com/h/jobs/summoner.shtml
knives, staffs, rods, flute, not books
summoners SUMMON!! Not DOT things to death, that is purely ACN, again playing like that is based off 1.0! If you want things like they are so badly, how come I do not see threads on make the job system back to what it was in 1.0? This is not 1.0, it needs to be changed, ACN/MSN/SCH is broken in 2.0+ game style.

What is there not to understand? where did I say I wanted take healer DPS away? that makes no sense. I want SCH/SMN/ACN split because it is broken in 2.0 since it is from what 1.0 had. The game was changed in 2.0 and with it, meant the SCH,SMN,ACN thing does not fit anymore.

Why am I obsessed with leeches? Oh i doono it is sometime called BALANCE!!!!! there is NO REASON TO MAKE IT 40 maybe???? Why are you so obsessed with keeping a broken system?

Now while it may not be the most OP crowd control there is, i wouldnt call that "No CC", you have ways to support your party and protect yourself a little.
I have played SCH in PvP and didnt find it nearly as bad as you make it out to be.
I'm actually a bit hesistant to call Miasma II and Virus CC, its more like a debuff support, I guess.
But theres still the Blizzard II and Knockback. And the other 2 can at least help/support.


Why are you so obsessed in pointing out its broken? It is not broken just because you might be having trouble with it.

SCH has no CC in PvP, thinking aura blast is worth something is foolish, esp with the game lag. Needing to point blank to bind as well does not have much value. The little value of CC we do have is only usable at point blank and that is ridiculous, do you even pvp at all?

I call the SCH/ACN/SMN broken because that is what it is, and makes it a nightmare trying to balance the jobs from having the 2 in 1 thing, like what loreleidiangelo pointed out.

Miasma II and Virus are not crowd control by typical PVP definition; they are debuffs. Tbh, SCH could use a better peel in PVP or at least an instant pet resummon on a CD so they don't have to blow a Swiftcast that could be better served on a Blizzard II, but those aren't actually problems that stem from an ACN root, it's just poor PVP balance.

I would say it is a combination of poor balancing and the 2 for 1 thing. After all SMN does get a bind....

[SendohJin]

Books does not fit SCH

Books do not fit Scholars? REALLY? a scholar doesn't read books? REALLY?

a specialist in a particular branch of study, especially the humanities;
a distinguished academic.
a person who is highly educated or has an aptitude for study.

oh man, it's so broken that they have books.

[Faliandra]

that is why I said allow people to change roles and seek for the updated replacements. I think part of this suggestion comes from wow how you can change mid-way in a dungeon so you are not waiting forever for a healer or tank.



Why does calling out something broken because it is based on 1.0 upset you? it does NOT WORK!!!! in 2.0 because ACN/SMN/SCH was made from 1.0 ideas that was completely thrown out the window in 2.0.

Yes books matter, the true endgame is glam, I think it is lazy as hell we got what we have out of SMN,SCH, ACN. Books does not fit SCH/ SMN roles.

Yoshida cam think one way, I can think another. I find it funny how you are obsessed with saying people want SCH a 3 button healer job ( I do not you are putting words in my mouth) but fine with the simplicity in summons.

I want to play SCH, not a healer mixed with outdated 1.0 gameplay. I want to be able to actually PvP on SCH, not feeling so damn limited because we got no CC, also leeches 40 can die in a fire. a 60 sec recast on impossible to mico manage is not "not a problem" there is huge issues with that, I can't believe you are blindly defending a broken system just because you wan to accept things for how they are.

If 1.0 did not exist, you would not have SCH/ACN/SMN thing, all of it is based on that version of the game that was completely changed for 2.0 + meaning this current system of SMN and SCH does not fit the current game and shows with the imbalanced glameplay.

Like some other people already pointed out to you:

(1) It is not broken. It works just fine.

(2) Books fit both jobs perfectly. (How can you possibly say it doesnt? o_O)

(3) We can do without leeches just fine. This is coming from someone who lvled scholar when she was still a noob with noob gear in this game.
Why are you saying its not fine? Do YOU have trouble with it or had trouble with it? I remember having trouble with MP as a WHM but I really do
not remember having any issues with scholar....trust me, I would remember if there was anything really bad.

(4) PvP: Aura Blast: PvP-only Knockback
Miasma II: an instant, AoE DoT that applies -20% HP recovered by healing magic
Cross-Skill Blizzard II: an AoE Bind
Virus: temporarily weakens your target's by reducing his stats.

Now while it may not be the most OP crowd control there is, i wouldnt call that "No CC", you have ways to support your party and protect yourself a little.
I have played SCH in PvP and didnt find it nearly as bad as you make it out to be.
I'm actually a bit hesistant to call Miasma II and Virus CC, its more like a debuff support, I guess.
But theres still the Blizzard II and Knockback. And the other 2 can at least help/support.


Why are you so obsessed in pointing out its broken? It is not broken just because you might be having trouble with it.