Let's talk about Diadem mechanics

[NarikoStar]

Bumping and cross referencing from Reddit-

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ther_relation/

I do believe the Boss fates are strictly tied to weather and have chances of spawning in those conditions.

I've been doing a lot of work from home so I've been able to do alot of 'AFK Diadem' sessions with my FC. (For those of you not familiar basically it's just entering, running to the The Missing Gem platform and making sure to move your character every 9mins so you don't disconnect 10mins from entrance. I highly do not recommend unless everyone in the party is obviously on board as you will not get any Lore / objectives complete. And probably angry party members if you sit and do nothing while they are trying to farm)

I keep the map open and tab back every so often to check boss fates / move my character and thus far this list has checked out. I've never seen the fates spawn under any other weather condition that isn't mentioned.

Additionally, I've gotten Hyperelectricity as well by simply afking so I'm still not sold on the evaluation being tied to spawning conditions (it very well could be I have just not seen evidence of it when we have 2+ parties from FC 'afking' getting a 0 eval rating. The only absolute I've seen thus far is if I happen to get the same instance back to back I have ALWAYS seen a Emergency Mission spawn. This leads me to believe that 1 Emergency Mission or Hyperelectricity can occur every 80~100-120minutes. So far I need to run this more to be sure of its occurrence, but personally for me I've had this occur on 4 separate instances where I happened to cue into the same instance I had been in for 60mins prior before with a 0 evaluation. I was able to confirm this by other players who were standing AFK at The Missing Gem who had entered after my initial entered time and were still in the same instance when I re-entered and flew back to The Missing Gem.

And while I cannot myself prove this when I enter a Diadem I always shout for "Last known occurance time for EM in this instance?" in cases where I receive shouts back saying 20~40 minutes ago, I have yet to see it pop within my next 60 minutes in the diadem.

I hope this information helps others trying to crack the likelihood of spawn conditions (my above data still does not disprove the evaluation theory but makes me believe it is more time based rather than Evaluation) I hope others can chime in more so we can figure out a better way of pinpointing!

Thanks!

[Ultimatecalibur]

I hope this information helps others trying to crack the likelihood of spawn conditions (my above data still does not disprove the evaluation theory but makes me believe it is more time based rather than Evaluation) I hope others can chime in more so we can figure out a better way of pinpointing!

It could be a combination just like S rank Hunt marks. A Timer and one or more Conditions.

[Remedi]

Additionally, I've gotten Hyperelectricity as well by simply afking so I'm still not sold on the evaluation being tied to spawning conditions (it very well could be I have just not seen evidence of it when we have 2+ parties from FC 'afking' getting a 0 eval rating.

Are you 100% sure you were alone and/or the only group in the zone? when it was just my group it popped as soon as we killed a mob

[NarikoStar]

Are you 100% sure you were alone and/or the only group in the zone? when it was just my group it popped as soon as we killed a mob

We were not alone. Nor were we the only group. Like I stated my observation DOES NOT disprove evaluation theory. But as of thus far ALWAYS having a hyperelectricity pop at least ONCE when I get back to back cues in the same instance (120mins) I believe is a solid direction in pinpointing whats going on. Again- I stated before it still can be coincidence, getting in the same instance back to back is hard to tell unless you spesifically know another group there OR there is another group AFKing at The Missing Gem where you can easily identify names.

So far, (pending pre-existing parties in the instance I enter are feeding me correct data) I have yet to see an hyperelectricity / Emergency Missions spawn within the same instance sooner than 100mins prior to the last spawn of it.
I always /shout ask for last known Hyperelectriciy / Emergency maintenance spawns to see if an existing party within the current instance has experienced it or knows of a party before them that had seen it. So far I've been in 4 instances where current instance members have been able to report the hyperelectricity spawning 10-25mins prior. When I stay in said instance for the following 60mins (my lockout) I have yet to see hyperelectricity repop. Which leads me to believe there is at least SOME time involved before the special weather, Hyperelectricity, can occur again prompting the Emergency Mission.

I'd love to know others findings though, or more data to solidify Evaluations being tied to hyperelectricity spawns!

(To be frank though the first day I participated in about 5 diadems, all with a rating of 400-600 evaluation. I never saw an Emergency Mission or hyperelectricity pop that day) I just believed myself to be unlucky as many of my friends reported getting a EM average on every other run. The following day I had a hyperelectricity / Emergency Mission pop on my first run at approximately 15mins left on my timer so 45mins into the timer after completeing all objectives. (my 5 other party members had left I was simply waiting around with others taking pictures) Happened to get my 280 spear on this one with a party of 3 in Emergency Mission!

[ShinMetsu]

evaluation theory

Oi! U calling my Evaluation Fact a theory, kid!?

[NarikoStar]

Oi! U calling my Evaluation Fact a theory, kid!?

XD
I mean...... how much data documentation are we gonna need to prove Evaluation Fact. lol

I'm still at a loss how this was proven >w< or maybe I missed something

Every 10.000 Evaluation triggers Emergency.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

To be fair though I just had a Diadem instance where no current instance members could tell me last Hyperelectricity spawn. On our party completing Mission Proggress 1/3 Hyperelectricity popped. We had about 15mins left on timer. (Most of us minus 2 had been afk)
This was my first occurrence where it seemed something -WE- had done triggered the weather. All other instances I've had it spawned when we were seeming doing nothing.

[ShinMetsu]

iunno, completely made it up.

It sounds pretty good though, no?

[NarikoStar]

iunno, completely made it up.

It sounds pretty good though, no?

Lol, Yeah if it was completely made up/thrown out there pretty good considering you could go in with a FC pre-made alliance (3parties of 8 =24) and everyone could EASILY get a 300 evaluation by completing main objectives only would snag you 7,200. Just shy of dat 10k.

I guess it's odd to me though that it would be based solely on this considering you have no idea what your Eval is until you leave or the end of your instance. So RIP. Let's continue speculation @3@

[ShinMetsu]

you have no idea what your Eval is until you leave or the end of your instance

People are actually checking their achievements to see if they triggered the 400/600 eval. But yeah, no way to check beyond that, i think? :')
I would've considered eval as a party thing.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Lol, Yeah if it was completely made up/thrown out there pretty good considering you could go in with a FC pre-made alliance (3parties of 8 =24) and everyone could EASILY get a 300 evaluation by completing main objectives only would snag you 7,200. Just shy of dat 10k.

Eval is party based as totals will increment together. 3 parties just doing main objectives would net only 600 to 900 eval to the total. 9 parties only doing mission objectives is 2700 per 9 party wave. It would take around 4 waves to hit a 10k eval target.

AFKers are possibly being covered by the parties that grind out ~1.2k and only see the EM because they stayed through the 60 min term rather than jumping every 30 min.