Let's talk about Diadem mechanics

[SaitoHikari]

Today's runs yielded more observations.

- Brachiosaurus boss fate spawned during Fog again, but this time it was at night (around 3 AM). 'Slaughter of the Lost Legend' spawned AFTER that, at around 7 AM. So the fates are definitely NOT linked, however the weather is very likely the spawn trigger.
- TONS of treasure coffers can be found if you're the first party in a fresh instance. This was already common knowledge, but I took mental notes on where they spawn. While the spawn locations are slightly different from what I noted in previous runs, it seems there is always at least one coffer on each island and cave. Chances are the giant northwest island has more than one coffer spawn, though if it did, another group got to it first.

List of Diadem FATEs:

1. (You're Not) Having My Mitelings - 2 locations
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Nice work.

Hmm, now that I think about it, not only could we split this by reward, we could also possibly split this based on spawn location.

Seems that the Boss Rafflesia from the ultima FATE in Azys LLa can spawn randomly in the underground, both times I saw them was nighttime but we didn't kill it since we were going fro S ranks and they despawned

Er, hold on, really? Which island did you observe this on?

(Would killing it award Proto Ultima exoplating is the question...)

[Ultimatecalibur]

it looks really good, can you also add what reward each of those gives?

Will do if people will give me the gold rewards and mob tier ranks (i.e. plain 60, Tier I to Tier V and Star)

Nice work.

Hmm, now that I think about it, not only could we split this by reward, we could also possibly split this based on spawn location.

True, would like the assistance of others to find this data.

Er, hold on, really? Which island did you observe this on?

(Would killing it award Proto Ultima exoplating is the question...)

During the original diadem those guys spawned as Tier Vs during Hyper-electricity weather and did give out Proto Ultima Exoplatings in their chests after being killed

[Remedi]

Will do if people will give me the gold rewards and mob tier ranks (i.e. plain 60, Tier I to Tier V and Star)

Plain 60 should be 2 damaged lockboxes
Rank I and II: I think 5 damaged lockboxes both but I'll check again
Rank III and IV: 10 damaged lockboxes
Rank V: 20 damaged lockboxes and spawns only on the lower islands
Star : 50 damaged lockboxes, 1 lockbox, rarely a minion

[Ultimatecalibur]

Plain 60 should be 2 damaged lockboxes
Rank I and II: I think 5 damaged lockboxes both but I'll check again
Rank III and IV: 10 damaged lockboxes
Rank V: 20 damaged lockboxes and spawns only on the lower islands
Star : 50 damaged lockboxes, 1 lockbox, rarely a minion

Meant each FATE's. Blood Wings is a Tier V that gives out star rewards so that isn't fully true for all.

Thanks for the list though.

[Remedi]

Saw once on the Basilosaurus FATE island when the boss was up and it was night, the second time was on the wisent boss island when that boss was up and it was night too of note they are no longer linked to ultima weather effect

Of note since we are going for the 10k Evaluation for the EM I think we should test how evaluation works:
From my understanding doing anything gives your party evaluation and how many ppl are in the party gives you a multiplier to your evaluation.
I tested this by going duo, a rank I mob was giving us around 0.5% while it was giving 3% when in 8 also the brachiosaurus gave us 45ish% in duo and about 150% when 8
Now the question is does that means that by completing the quest you should be at 200 evaluation (2 full bars) or around that levels?
If that's the case we could be able to actually give an evaluation quantity from about anything in the zone.

[Remedi]

Well that was what I was able to see for the moment and seems to be the general way of things, ofc if more cases of things like Bloody wings happens we should be able to register those.
Tbh however either they need to increase FATE rewards or maybe lower the quantity of damaged lootboxes required for an opening from 40 to 20

[SaitoHikari]

Found a gathering map on Reddit. No idea who made it though, so credits to him/her.

http://i.imgur.com/a8pXN7O.jpg

[SaitoHikari]

So I ended up in a Diadem run with 2 other parties that basically fate train'd the entire way. EM still didn't spawn, although the fact that we basically confined ourselves to the upper right or lower left corners of the map may have played a part in it. We ended up with around ~1.8k-2k evaluation between the three parties.

Either way, I feel at this point, the devs should straight up reveal the exact spawn conditions for the EM. It's ridiculous that you can end up in multiple runs in a row where the EM doesn't appear. The uncertainty leads to confused decision-making among all the parties in the instance, and it more or less breeds an incentive to AFK/leave early (why work for it when nobody even knows how it spawns)? Even telling people that it's outright random would help, because it'd at least stop people leaving early and risking the EM spawning during the 30 minute downtime.

(I am also noticing that I haven't been in a Diadem run that has had a full instance since Saturday. My past 5 runs since then have only had about 3-4 full parties in the map on average, out of a total of a possible 8. I don't know how many instances are running at once, but if that's just a single instance shared across all of Aether data center, which I'd find hard to believe, then the longevity of Diadem may be in big trouble.)

[SaitoHikari]

Thanks, adding into the main post, didn't know about the running in circles part.

[astronym]

u didnt give me credit! XD