The end of Playstation 3 support.

[Serilda]

I was not being cruel, I stated I spent over $900 more than once to upgrade PCs to play MMORPGs that used to run on older machines. Stating facts is not cruel, even if people don't like them. Heck my older laptop I bought in 2010 won't run Stormblood and barely runs Heavensward, but ran fine in 2.0.

Stating facts can absolutely be cruel under the right circumstances; if this was a thread of PS3 players moaning, then it would of course be appropriate to counter them with facts. In the context of the situation, which you keep ignoring, this is a thread which was specifically created to jeer at the fact that members of a long-bullied demographic are getting shut out, which a bunch of 'helpful' PC zealots are using to patronise their console-using peers. Context is very important.

As I said on the very first page, the PS3 version of FFXIV is objectively worse to play than the other versions. Nobody is strongly disputing that fact. The PS3 players themselves know this, and I'm sure most of them (except maybe that one person who specifically wants to play in 4:3 forever...) would jump at the chance to move up to PS4 one day. I've been there, I've done it, and it's a big improvement for the game experience. But not everyone can. This isn't conjecture; I played FFXI on PS2 until the service stopped and numerous posts cite actual examples of FFXIV players who are struggling to transition.

When 1.x finished and the (PC-only) players couldn't access the game any more for an indeterminate amount of time, there was sympathy. There were vigils. There were groups supporting one another.

Console players don't get that. We're automatically the butt of every insult in every topic where technical constraints are mentioned - which is almost every topic, sooner or later. PC gamers struggle to do mechanics, and it's suddenly the console gamers' faults that they couldn't use a mod to give them an extra-special helping hand. The patronising advice is also ridiculous; we're always given tips on buying a PC as though we even want one in the first place (I don't, thanks, and it's not because I don't know how to buy or build one).

Even when the guy who makes the game explicitly says the next barrier is PCs, not consoles, those people who beg, borrow and scrape to save up for a PS4 know what's coming after two generations of systemic bullying. We can already hear the hyenas in the peanut gallery gearing up to cry 'PS4 limitations!' in spite of all evidence pointing the finger elsewhere. It's pathetic. It personally sickens me. People seriously have nothing better to do with their time than spit bile at an imaginary bogeyman and make other people feel bad about quietly playing a fantasy game in their free time.

So my counter to this mean-spirited topic was to challenge it and acknowledge the people who feel like garbage about this whole thing and the gleeful PC enthusiasts self-centredly celebrating in their misery. That's all. In the context of this discussion, rushing in to white knight with 'And I don't see the problem.' was not a kind way to react.

[Kaethra]

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If context and feelings matter that much. The internet is not the place to find it.

At least from me, you will not see dishonesty or lack of integrity. Not even a white lie to make people feel better. Only truth, for better or for worse. Because in the end, truth and fact is all that matters. I gave solutions, they weren't liked, but that doesn't make them less viable. Sure they might be unattainable but that is out of no fault of the suggestion, but the user's priorities which I also stated.

To be cruel would have involved a personal attack. Which I have not done. But at the same time I'm not here to be kind, I'm here to discuss and/or debate. I'll be kind in game. But we're not in game.

[Serilda]

If context and feelings matter that much. The internet is not the place to find it.

Perhaps that's your experience of the Internet, but it isn't mine. I feel sorry for you if all you're getting out of this global network of people with whom to share ideas is a battleground for making rude remarks and one-upping strangers.

Here are some everyday examples of how being 'truthful' can also just be a nice way to dress up bullying and needless cruelty.

"You know, your mother never wanted you."
"The reason they make fun of you is that nobody likes you."
"Short guys are ugly."
"If you're poor, it's your own fault for not working harder."

You can argue that those people are simply showing integrity, but that's really not how it comes across. It's spite.

(Incidentally, from my point of view I'm being honest too. Funny, that. It's almost as though we're different people with different life experiences!)

At the end of the day, it's clear that you're not going to change your mind. But you're certainly not going to change mine, so I would recommend stepping away and moving on to a more suitable thread. There are plenty of threads specifically aimed at PC enthusiasts which might be a better fit for your preferred 'solutions'.

[Texa]

I gave solutions, they weren't liked, but that doesn't make them less viable.

You said people in South American countries should overthrow their governments to make video game consoles cheaper.

[eaudaemon]

You said people in South American countries should overthrow their governments to make video game consoles cheaper.

She didn't say that...

Those from 'poorer' countries probably need to take another look at their priorities compared to playing video games. Such as taking actions to affect their political situations so they can get rid of tariffs and improve shipping conditions to lower costs.

What she's saying is that people who couldn't afford getting an upgrade should not be prioritizing games when there are other much productive things to do, don't add any more misunderstandings to already volatile issue.

[Texa]

What she's saying is that people who couldn't afford getting an upgrade should not be prioritizing games when there are other much productive things to do, don't add any more misunderstandings to already volatile issue.

"people in poor countries should stop playing video games until they personally fix their domestic economy"
Ah yes, so much better.

[eaudaemon]

"people in poor countries should stop playing video games until they personally fix their domestic economy"
Ah yes, so much better.

Still not what she's saying... "Prioritizing" is not the same as "Stopping".

I'm not agreeing with her on her stand on the current issue, I just don't want any wrong interpretation of her words, just like what your doing right now.

[Kaethra]

What she's saying is that people who couldn't afford getting an upgrade should not be prioritizing games when there are other much productive things to do, don't add any more misunderstandings to already volatile issue.

This.

When I initially said that statement, I meant voting. But getting personally involved with local politics in other peaceful means is also an option. As I've said, I've not suggested anything I haven't personally done myself. I know my mayor for example on a first name basis as well as a congressional primary candidate who is likely to be the successor to the incumbent when they eventually retire.

I wouldn't be above making a fuss at a townhall meeting if they did something stupid to the local infrastructure of the internet. Up to and even running against them if needed.

Overthrowing governments is romantic at best and stupid to suggest. At no point would I support violence for the sake of buying a PS4 at a decent price. If you want to do something dumb but effective, marry your buddy and get them over to the US to buy one lol. Its legal and doesn't hurt anyone

[Texa]

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Thank you for clearing that up.

I'm sorry for being condescending earlier. I am upset that some really cool people I knew aren't going to be able to play the game anymore because of how much the hardware costs in their countries. I still remember how sad one of them got when someone else in our FC was celebrating "no more PS3 heathens". If I had the money I'd help them out right away, but my current medical needs would not allow for that.

The situation is what it is, there's always other ways to stay in touch on the internet.

[Claviusnex]

Not even a white lie to make people feel better. Only truth, for better or for worse. Because in the end, truth and fact is all that matters. I gave solutions, they weren't liked, but that doesn't make them less viable. Sure they might be unattainable but that is out of no fault of the suggestion, but the user's priorities which I also stated.

To be cruel would have involved a personal attack. Which I have not done. But at the same time I'm not here to be kind, I'm here to discuss and/or debate. I'll be kind in game. But we're not in game.

There is something called tact and empathy neither of which prevent someone from telling the truth. Something many of my countrymen seem to have forgotten. The real uses for bluntness are few and in-between.