Healers that don't want to DPS are like DPSes who refuse to move out of AoEs.

[Rita1989]

This is pretty much what I feel about the people in this thread. How bad is a DF run that you need a healer's dps to complete it? How slow is a DF run that you feel the need to have your healer dps? If you're in a run where the dps is already slicing through mobs like butter but still feel slow because your healer is not dpsing, blame your own impatience and not the healer.

Why should people be okay with mediocrity though its not just healers, DPS and Tanks are just as bad its just a terrible mentality to have to say we completed it so who cares if we spent an extra 10-15 minutes because half the party doesn't care enough to play properly.

[Adire]

A healers main job is to keep the party alive, if they're comfortable with DPSing as well great, if not that's ok. I hope players who want to play healers who read this thread don't get discouraged because they feel like they need to DPS or they suck, if you're in my party, as long as you keep the party alive do whatever the .... you want.

Can I watch netflix during the huge amount of downtime?

[Greedalox]

This is pretty much what I feel about the people in this thread. How bad is a DF run that you need a healer's dps to complete it? How slow is a DF run that you feel the need to have your healer dps? If you're in a run where the dps is already slicing through mobs like butter but still feel slow because your healer is not dpsing, blame your own impatience and not the healer.

Why is not needing to DPS even an argument? You don't NEED to have 100% uptime heals, yet here we are. There's no need from a tank beyond holding minimal threat and stopping doing anything else, no need for DPS to push a dungeon faster than 90 minutes on the timer, and there's no need for healers to DPS.

Need has never been the issue, it's simply laze after you're comfortable with a dungeons mechanics if you're not going above and beyond the bare spankin' minimum.

[Lirion]

Can I watch netflix during the huge amount of downtime?

As long as you keep us alive you can walk the dog for all I care.

[Zhamkyong]

If we were talking about Savage or Ex i would shut my mouth because i cant do it due circumstances and i dont know how it works in there, but here is what i believe in DF or any Raid that it's normal mode about healer or tanks: If they are both doing their job, i dont care if we get the job done about the dps they are making. If one healer is enough should the other one dps? Sure, i am not saying he should stay still watching the fight, same for the offtank if there are 2 of them. But in duty finder, roulette? No. Unless i go with friends, like someone said, i will act as the group needs and i expect the rest to do the same for the sake of the team. I rather see a duty completed than a group disbanded because someone wanted to rush things like he is entitled to everything because of his Ilevel gear.

Why should people be okay with mediocrity though its not just healers, DPS and Tanks are just as bad its just a terrible mentality to have to say we completed it so who cares if we spent an extra 10-15 minutes because half the party doesn't care enough to play properly.

For the same reason i could ask why should i play a normal dungeon like it was a raid or a Ex-Trial of some sort. Myself, as a healer, i will keep the team healed and dps when the opportunity arises. If someone else is healing i will want them to keep me healed, then proceed to dps if they are confident enough. If i play with random players i will try to keep with the team, i expect them to do the same for me and not someone blaming everyone but him/herself because of his/her impatience.

Why is not needing to DPS even an argument? You don't NEED to have 100% uptime heals, yet here we are

Not everyone plays the same way and even when they try harder the most mistakes they make. You can expect every healer to suit every need like they were clones.

[bardaboo]

As long as you keep us alive you can walk the dog for all I care.

I looked you up on lodestone. ... i really think we need to stop taking advice from people who only have a healer at lvl 30... guy.. there is soooooo much frikkin spare timein expert dungeons to dps. Maybe play at end game before talking for other healers. .. trust me. They lazy.

[SlogDog]

The way some people are acting you'd think healer dps was negligible but both tanks and healers can supply about half of a full dps' well dps single target. For example on a boss fight a mnk is at 2500 and i'm normally sitting around 1200. Tanks can push it even higher with great ones at 1600+. On aoe packs healer dps as said is easily top or at least 2nd with our relatively fast ramp up time.

Now its not always healers fault, i'm always dps 110% but i can't carry two poor dps... that's when i say things are a little slow for me and excuse myself. I can't imagine doing a run without that extra healer boost... especially if it was two poor dps, a low dps tank and a heatbot, ouch!


Here are some visual hints for non-parser folks that an ex is taking too long, if you see these you know dps is bad;

Sohm Hard- first boss does more than 2 groups of pods (should be dead before the second with great dps), second boss is able to do his big stationary flamethrower attack (should be dead before this but if he just started thats alright) and finally last boss should be pretty much dead by the time he spawns the 4 pack of adds.

Wall- first boss does more than three sets of tethered adds, second boss is very random so its harder to be visual about it, you will just know (usually when you find your manas drying up haha) and last boss more than one restraint collar.

I've lurked forever but feel like i might as well tell yous guys whats what.

[Hyperia]

When I tank a dungeon, I don't watch what the healer is doing as long as nobody dies, I'm more concerned with mechanics and holding agro while my dps do their thing. Did everybody live? Yea! Healer did a good job, incoming next huge pull!

[Greedalox]

Not everyone plays the same way and even when they try harder the most mistakes they make. You can expect every healer to suit every need like they were clones.

Having minimal expectations out of a community (This is a community btw, it's an MMORPG- It's okay to have expectations out of those you interact with) is not being a clone. Not DPSing isn't like dying your hair pink and going against the grain to be edgy and different. So if the best you have is "I PLAY HOW I WANT! I AM MY OWN PERSON" then please, Sweetie- realize that casting a couple DPS spells isn't the same as being 100% efficient with every cast all the time and it certainly doesn't pull away from your individuality.

[BigRed5392]

Why should people be okay with mediocrity though its not just healers, DPS and Tanks are just as bad its just a terrible mentality to have to say we completed it so who cares if we spent an extra 10-15 minutes because half the party doesn't care enough to play properly.

except that isn't the case. I've had very fast runs with healers just healing. If you run takes 15-20min longer then YOU wanted, blame the dps. Tanks dps by default to tank, but no content was made with healer dps in mind. And it isn't playing mediocre, that would be healers letting tanks die, tanks not tanking, and dps eating aoes.

going above your role is welcomed, but shouldn't be expected or forced. Playing properly is tanks tanking, dps dpsing and healers healing. Going fast is just added bonus.

People like you kinda sound like elitist, and it does ruin the game for other, because of added stress. And making false claims to exasperate the situation doesn't help. And using insults makes you look immature.

I;m not saying you, but making in general using your comment as an example of poor sportsmanship.