Healers that don't want to DPS are like DPSes who refuse to move out of AoEs.

[Kaurie]

You said without healer dps it would take 15-20 minutes longer to clear a dungeon, Most groups can clear dungeons in 30 minutes or less regardless if healer is dpsing. So 15-20 minutes longer would mean you spending 45+ minutes in a dungeon. I just don't buy that it going to add 20 minutes on to the run cause the healer not dpsing. Oh and that other post was more of a question then a statement which you seem to ignore.

Wait, what dungeons are taking 30 minutes? Do you mean like leveling dungeons?

Generally speaking, a Heavensward expert dungeon (during the time it is in expert roulette) takes 13-17 minutes. When Healers are DPSing, they do generally ~20% of the total. Coincidentally, 17 minutes is 30% more than 13. I'd hazard a guess that the ones where the healer doesn't DPS, it's 17 minutes, and the 13 minutes is when you actually get a co-DPS worth a damn (+healer DPS).

[PocketVolcano]

Healers can do whatever they feel like doing as long as the party is alive. If they want to do damage, that's cool, just keep people up and running. If they aren't comfy and want to just focus on health bars, that's fine. If they had a bad day at work, and going through a dungeon only focusing on healing eases their mind, that's all good. These witch hunts are not helping anything in the long run.

Cleric Stance is pure AIDS. Just base healer dps off of Mind or go the WildStar route and have the heal spells also do damage to enemies while healing allies.

[bswpayton]

Wait, what dungeons are taking 30 minutes? Do you mean like leveling dungeons?

Generally speaking, a Heavensward expert dungeon (during the time it is in expert roulette) takes 13-17 minutes. When Healers are DPSing, they do generally ~20% of the total. Coincidentally, 17 minutes is 30% more than 13. I'd hazard a guess that the ones where the healer doesn't DPS, it's 17 minutes, and the 13 minutes is when you actually get a co-DPS worth a damn (+healer DPS).

Ha I here everyone saying this and even on runs where , dps are doing over 2k damage sohm al hard has always taken 20 mins exactly almost every run thats with dps and healers dpsing sometimes, sometimes I feel like people make these numbers up 13 mins. There is an artificial block for every two mob pulls here

[Kaurie]

Ha I here everyone saying this and even on runs where , dps are doing over 2k damage sohm al hard has always taken 20 mins exactly almost every run thats with dps and healers dpsing sometimes, sometimes I feel like people make these numbers up 13 mins. There is an artificial block for every two mob pulls here

I didn't make anything up, and I've never seen Sohm Al hard take 20 minutes. *shrug*

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I just got done running a dungeon on SCH doing absolutely nothing but healing.
I felt like I was trolling, in all honesty. Half the run I just sat their using pet skills to heal everything for me. I think I manually casted Adloquium about 3 times in the entire dungeon (excluding between pull shielding). It was ridiculous.

Not knocking anyone who doesn't want to DPS of course. It's totally your choice. But I do recommend trying it. It's actually rather fun opposed to being semi afk.

[bswpayton]

I think one of the biggest things people are failing to realize here also is dont just blame this on a healer I just recently started back healing got my scholar to level 60, I dont know if you guys use duty finder or not. But I cant tell you how often tanks dont use any type of cool downs and the wrong ones totally. I know this now because I main tanks now, I did two runs in a row two different drks that used freaking living dead with a full health bar not even close to being dead. Drks using blood for blood instead of shadow skin or shadow wall, warriors not useing blood bath, palis not using rampart, so please dont put this on just healers alone. Because even on big pulls tanks act like defensive cool downs arent even on their hot bars and to me this helps allow healers to open up more and dps more. But in my experience seems like defensive cool downs have gone out of style for df tanks maybe Im just having bad luck or something.

[Lexia]

I didn't make anything up, and I've never seen Sohm Al hard take 20 minutes. *shrug*

Maybe you have some grade A players on your server, but I have never seen any dungeon cleared in less then 20 minutes.

[Kaurie]

I think one of the biggest things people are failing to realize here also is dont just blame this on a healer I just recently started back healing got my scholar to level 60, I dont know if you guys use duty finder or not. But I cant tell you how often tanks dont use any type of cool downs and the wrong ones totally. I know this now because I main tanks now, I did two runs in a row two different drks that used freaking living dead with a full health bar not even close to being dead. Drks using blood for blood instead of shadow skin or shadow wall, warriors not useing blood bath, palis not using rampart, so please dont put this on just healers alone. Because even on big pulls tanks act like defensive cool downs arent even on their hot bars and to me this helps allow healers to open up more and dps more. But in my experience seems like defensive cool downs have gone out of style for df tanks maybe Im just having bad luck or something.

I completely agree. Even if the dungeon takes a bit longer, raging on people won't change anything. You're simply going to make someone elses day worse for no reason. Personally, I DPS as a healer, but I never get annoyed at healers who don't DPS. If it's going to be 17 minutes instead of 14 minutes, then whatever. If it's like 30+ minutes, the problem is probably not with the healer.

Maybe you have some grade A players on your server, but I have never seen any dungeon cleared in less then 20 minutes.

I see, that's rather unfortunate.

I just got done running a dungeon on SCH doing absolutely nothing but healing.
I felt like I was trolling, in all honesty. Half the run I just sat their using pet skills to heal everything for me. I think I manually casted Adloquium about 3 times in the entire dungeon (excluding between pull shielding). It was ridiculous.

Not knocking anyone who doesn't want to DPS of course. It's totally your choice. But I do recommend trying it. It's actually rather fun opposed to being semi afk.

Definitely, in expert roulettes specifically, I find that DPSing as a healer is mandatory to keep enjoyment. In content that requires more constant healing, I can see having fun with just healing. However, in expert roulette, the healing requirement is just so low, that I can't fathom how it'd be enjoyable to not DPS.

[RaijinSupreme]

Maybe you have some grade A players on your server, but I have never seen any dungeon cleared in less then 20 minutes.

you must have a hard time in dungeons

[bswpayton]

I completely agree. Even if the dungeon takes a bit longer, raging on people won't change anything. You're simply going to make someone elses day

There are some times when healers go over board one of my only wipes ever in sohm al hard on final boss healer was to worried about dpsing that I got the tank buster I was using my cool downs and then bam finally happened straight up dead

They apologized and said that they where just trying to help out but I mean if Im healing Im lookin at health bars the whole time I tend to not let a tanks health go past half personally. When I get dps happy healers where they want to stay in cleric the whole time I tend to use clemency alot more , because I just dont trust people like that what if your finger fumbles or something and you just caused the party to wipe because you where to worried about dpsing.

It goes both ways, also I dont even recall a regan heal at all could be wrong but they were a raider had the alex weapon, but Im not about wiping, Ill lose some of my own dps to make sure I dont die when I get those kinda healers dps all you want but I dont trust you enough to not start busting out mega potions and clemency or other self heals. And the quickest dungeons Ive seen go by are like those in the 50 roulette like a wondrous palace or something. But I just never see anything like 13 mins in any of the plus 200 ilvl dungeons, even tho I hear it all the time on here Ive never seen it.