Healers that don't want to DPS are like DPSes who refuse to move out of AoEs.

[KDSilver]

Don't get the wrong idea however, I'm not saying that people are forced to dps.
I've just saying the current content is designed in a way that allows us to do so, BUT, doesn't mean that everyone has to if they don't want to, aren't comfortable with it or have lack of experience.


"In no dungeon does regen do most the work, like i said my g.f who mains tank, and mained tank over the course of several characters, Sits at roughly 50% or less hp in dungeon runs, and in a lot of cases mp starved because of whms holy spam when she needs mp and uses blood price."

Regen does a lot.
About Drk and Whm spamming Holy, it is possible to have a little talk on the party chat. Whm asking if he can Holy or Drk asking not to because of Blood price.

When I do dungeons with my Whm, Holy, Aero III and Assize are doing so much damages that trash are killed so much faster.
If I'm with a Dark Knight, I still Holy unless he asked me not to because of his MP.

"If people pay attention, tanks do loose hp pretty fast, even with cd use. Healers are just choosing to leave them 50% or less using a big heal after. Or they assume everyone is in top gear and shrug it off."

Indeed, but that's because that one big instant heal is so much powerful that it's enough. If the tank has low lvl gear, of course the healer should adapt his healing to this.

[Kit-Kat]

We are not seeing nature adapting though. We are seeing a forced adaption based on arbitrary rules from people who honestly don't play the game as good as they think they do. No matter the content, or how hard mobs hit.. People will just force tanks and healers to dps harder. That is how this "moar" dps started. Alex gordias savage, then you have the skip soar mindset.

In no dungeon does regen do most the work, like i said my g.f who mains tank, and mained tank over the course of several characters, Sits at roughly 50% or less hp in dungeon runs, and in a lot of cases mp starved because of whms holy spam when she needs mp and uses blood price.

In the runs she had healers prioritize dps first. And mistep regen, and holy. They act like bots on auto-pilot making her role that much harder, as in they regen at pull before she has a moment to unleash and position.

If people pay attention, tanks do loose hp pretty fast, even with cd use. Healers are just choosing to leave them 50% or less using a big heal after. Or they assume everyone is in top gear and shrug it off.

Since hw i see people care less about working as team, and spend more time parser watching and berating others. All you guys are doing is stressing everyone out. Idm healers dps, but only if no one is 50% hp or less. Dps @ 70% or more. And cool it with the holy spom, pay attention to a drks mp and blood price use. Unleash and abysmal drain does take a good chunk of mp. More so if they need to chase mobs because of a bad timed regen, or a dps who isn't paying attention.


but more importantly, start looking at the dps to make runs faster. Dps has only 1 role in this game, deal damage, trying to shoe horn 2 roles into doing more is a bit counter productive, and a tad bit unfair.

Sorry if i'm passionate, I'm just tired of seeing my g/f stressed out all the time over some arbitrary bs. She loves mmo and loves to help people. Enjoys taking, but the added stress isn't helping her be a better player.

That scenario is fine and I don't think anyone would have problems with your girlfriend, specially if someone saw her struggling to keep tank alive. The main topic is when healers can (have plenty of time to) dps instead of standing still doing absolutely nothing because heals might not be required for a while. Did you know the faster a monster dies, the less you have to heal? ;> it's a win win for everyone. Lots of people mention cases like your girlfriend's, people having to heal constantly. DPS wouldn't be expected in those runs, good for you if you actually manage to do it. But like I said, the discussion is on having so much downtime that you're not busy at all and also do not help/contribute for the rest of the party, like that one Xelphatol video linked in this thread.

[BigRed5392]

snipe

but just using that 1 big heal is lazy. Going out of your way to dps, is just as bad and just as lazy though.

She also communicates about the mistimed holy spam, all she gets is insults or told it was her fault. Even though she hits blood price first.

That is what this thread about, people wanting to force healers to dps.

[BigRed5392]

snipe.

mobs dieing too fast can skrew over your mp starved drk tank, so not really a win for drk tanks. they need mob hits for blood price, and mobs alive other mp tools. More so with people trying to out pull the tank, or trigger happy with regen.

I didn't see the vid, but i can probable assume if the run was slow, it was the dps fault. And the blame going to the healer. Again

content is not made, designed, or to be tackled with healer dps in mind.

And as i said i've seen her in runs with a spam casting healer who mass cures @ 90% hp. And run still faster then the drg group.

I'm honestly wondering how much people actually pay attention in dungeon runs. And how much is really being spent on netflix. I've never seen a non dps healer slow down a run, but i've seen dps slow runs down often.

And what is being missed, is i never stated i am against healers dpsing. Just do so properly, aka not wait to use a big heal, and ya my g/f got told off a few times for not dpsing when people needed to be healed.

threads like this should not exist as it is just an arbitrary standard not even promoted by the devs. If your runs are slow, its the dps fault.

[KDSilver]

This isn't lazyness. One regen and this instant skill is enough to keep the tank alive while I'm dpsing.
I do this all the time during my dungeons runs and this is fine. This isn't bad...

This isn't because you seemed to be against dpsing healer that the fact that we are doing that kind of thing is bad. We know what we're doing and this is our way to play.

If she communicated and she got insulted, the problem isn't dpsing healer. This is the player behind that was an idiot.

[BigRed5392]

This isn't lazyness. One regen and this instant skill is enough to keep the tank alive while I'm dpsing.
I do this all the time during my dungeons runs and this is fine. This isn't bad...

This isn't because you seemed to be against dpsing healer that the fact that we are doing that kind of thing is bad. We know what we're doing and this is our way to play.

If she communicated and she got insulted, the problem isn't dpsing healer. This is the player behind that was an idiot.

except in every dungeon run i've seen, and more so with my g/f. Her being 50%or less, most of the time is laziness for sake of dps. People who claim to "know how to play" in my experience don't Again no hate... just personal experiences. Should put 100% focus on on the group, and pay attention to everything. If your tank is under 50% hp and your doing it wrong. This is just my opinion.

Your job is to keep the groups hp up. attack if no one needs a cure, not arbitrarily make down time but not curing till last min.

[Taika]

May I ask what keybinds people use for their dps abilities as healers?

I'll also chime in that I've found it best to use a MMO mouse (I'm using Logitech G600). On all healers, I have 1 action bar row tied to DPS skills (1 is Cleric Stance, the rest are DPS spells). I use them with clicking the third, right side mouse button (bound as "Shift") with my right hand ring finger and use the number buttons with my thumb. For healing, I use the same thumb buttons but don't click the ring finger button.

If your tank is under 50% hp and your doing it wrong.

A good healer minimises their healing while keeping all party members alive. When you use as little resources as possible on healing, while still keeping everyone safe (and yes, even 10% tank HP can be safe in some cases when you know nothing can crit them to death), you have the maximum amount of resources to spend on more effective contribution (DPS in the case of how this game works). If someone dies, then it's a mistake, of course, but the more skillful and effective the healer is the lower they can let people drop while still keeping everyone alive.

[Onyxia]

It's bloody painful when I can visually see how much slower their targets are dying compared to mine

And? They do damage? Yes. Mobs die? Die. Who say that they need to improve? I am sure they like their play style and feel themselves comfortable.

Also, one day ago I saw summoner who did not use aetherflow and bane, energy drain, etc. He only spammed ruin on one target... Could I blame him? Of course not. We still beat the dungeon. Who cares that we spent 40 minutes on this duty. Healer was not DPSing too, of course.

[KDSilver]

I claim that i know what I do because you started to say that it's lazyness while... it's not.
I've been patient to explain why and how healing and dpsing works and you're saying this.

What do you want me to say now?
Seems like I can't argue because for you, a dpsing healer is someone that doesn't know his job or is lazy.
That's what I feel like.

I'm healing on this game since a long of time, I've done ton of content (dungeons, extreme, savage). I'm not claiming "i'm pro-player", but "I know my class after all this time and thing always are fine when I heal, even if I dps".

I don't know what is your main classes, but if you aren't a healer, how can you tell that i'm doing my job badly then ? =/

[BigRed5392]

And? They do damage? Yes. Mobs die? Die. Who say that they need to improve? I am sure they like their play style and feel themselves comfortable.

Also, one day ago I saw summoner who did not use aetherflow and bane, energy drain, etc. He only spammed ruin on one target... Could I blame him? Of course not. We still beat the dungeon. Who cares that we spent 40 minutes on this duty. Healer was not DPSing too, of course.

it was the smn fault not the healers. And people don't care about dps.. unless the dps is coming from tank or healer.

the dps clases are built with damage in mind. Get on their butts for it and have them focus down mobs. Not artificially inflate their dps by killing mobs solo.
No one seems to rag on dps to dps... yet it always the tank or healer who are in the wrong for not doing extra.