Dps As Healer

[Lilseph]

Cleric Stance doesn't automatically turn on/off your spells. You still have access to Bio, Miasma, Aero, Stone, and Malefic. Your DPS contributions would obviously be lower, but then you're there to heal, not focus on e-peen DPS.

Who's talking about e-peen DPS? People that want to DPS as a healer is because they want a faster and smooth run, they want to contribute to the group, not only to heal people. You're not any better than the people demanding healers to DPS 100% of the time. It's an option and some people want it.

[Hyperia]

We also need to remember that the devs are aware that a good chunk of people who choose to play a healer want to heal and don't care about DPS. If they wanted to DPS, they would have rolled a DPS class. They have access to better metrics than we ever will. I'm expecting the new content in Stormblood to be healing intensive enough to see that the healers who do DPS will be in the single digit percentile.

Oh and to the people who think that a healer who is not always casting is lazy... sometimes its nice to play a class where its not always 100% go go go go go. The little pauses are a nice stress reliever for those who want to have a nice job, keep people alive and relax. If your DPS players are complaining that the run is not going fast enough, dont look at the tank or healer to bolster your DPS, look in the mirror first.

Do I DPS? Sure do, when I want to or when I am comfortable doing so. I don't always do so, especially when I don't feel comfortable with the group and its dynamics. Though, even on those runs when I could DPS, sometimes I don't. Why? Well, because I got off of my full time job, finished taking care of my family and want to enjoy a nice dungeon run without the added stress of doing max numbers, perfect rotations and totally optimized performance. I do that enough in Savage raiding, sometimes I just want to chill.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Combine the two and it's a fun dance.

We must play different healers then, because whether I'm playing WHM, SCH, or AST, I'm so ridiculously bored when I dps that I have to be browsing the forums or I'd fall asleep from complete boredom. What is this healer wherein dpsing is fun, because I want access to it. Healers either need to have their healing potency nerfed to the point they can't bring a tank back up from 1 HP inside a gcd or two, or raid wide damage needs to be upped considerably. Seriously.

GIVE ME SOMETHING TO $%#%ING HEAL INSTEAD OF MAKING ME FEEL LIKE AN INFERIOR DPS.

Thankfully I main tank, and stance dancing is actually fun.(　^ω^)

[Lilseph]

We must play different healers then, because whether I'm playing WHM, SCH, or AST, I'm so ridiculously bored when I dps that I have to be browsing the forums or I'd fall asleep from complete boredom. What is this healer wherein dpsing is fun, because I want access to it. Healers either need to have their healing potency nerfed to the point they can't bring a tank back up from 1 HP inside a gcd or two, or raid wide damage needs to be upped considerably. Seriously.

I think either this game or the healer class is not for you. If you find DPS and healing boring, I can't imagine what it feels to you to only heal in dungeons...

[alimdia]

Original Arum Vale and Pharos 1.0 comes to mind...

With a good group, yes, its cake and smooth sailing but with the average pug back then, you earned your comms as a healer.

Only because people didn't know how to do the fights.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I think either this game or the healer class is not for you. If you find DPS and healing boring, I can't imagine what it feels to you to only heal in dungeons...

I do love this game actually. Balancing tank /dps stance or going crazy as a DPS are incredibly fun and engaging! Dpsing as a healer... just isn't fun, because I do it out of obligation, not because I actually have fun with it.

[Keydah]

I do love this game actually. Balancing tank /dps stance or going crazy as a DPS are incredibly fun and engaging! Dpsing as a healer... just isn't fun, because I do it out of obligation, not because I actually have fun with it.

And I do have fun with it, along with tank stance dancing. How do you find balancing tank & dps stances fun, but balancing healing & dps stances not? (That's a genuine question, not a snark) Either way, you have to decide when it's an okay time to change stances, and it's not like tanks do anything more exciting than healers in the dps department... 1, 2, 3, check aggro, reapply a DoT, 1, 2, 3, pop a cooldown, 1, 2, 3... Healers are DoT, DoT, DoT, toss out a shield/regen, hit one skill repeatedly for 5 seconds, reapply DoTs... I don't really feel that the tank one is that much more engaging. I guess branching combos for tossing out another DoT or regening MP are neat, but once you learn it it's no different from just hitting the same button constantly.

[DaikiKiyoshi]

I learned to ignore him a long time ago. He has issues with me. Also it is not an over exaggeration or at least it did not feel that way. I got some good war tanks where I did not have to heal at all in a large over pull. Why do people overuse Hyperbole on these forums anyway? Also the vid Bourne_Endeavor linked reinforces the point.

So the godly dps matchign buttons every 1-2 seconds is less then a good player then one that hits one every 5 minutes?

^ Cause you responding to a post of mine that wasn't even directed at you is totally ignoring me.

I don't have issues with you. I disagree with your point of view on certain topics. There's a difference.

[Ilenya]

I do love this game actually. Balancing tank /dps stance or going crazy as a DPS are incredibly fun and engaging! Dpsing as a healer... just isn't fun, because I do it out of obligation, not because I actually have fun with it.

Wait, wait, wait...Tank/DPS swapping is okay, but Cleric stance isn't? You don't even deal with new skills when you go into DPS stance for the most part?

[FallenWings]

If you want to remove DPS as healers, then you would need to remove tanks, mitigation, and all forms of self recovery from non-healer classes/roles.

Since we only want to spend most of our time just healing, we gotta make it so things that make that easier shouldn't exist right?

I find it quite hilarious that the healers who only choose to heal also have the audacity to demand tanks rotate their CDs and DPS to avoid taking excessive damage. So which is it? Did you want something to heal or are you really just justifying being lazy?

Healing only is frankly pointless. Your only job is to make sure no one dies. It does not matter what health they are at as long as it's not 0. So then being good at healing beyond "keeping people alive" literally amounts to nothing in the progression of a fight. The boss won't suddenly surrender and submit to your supreme ability to "keep HP bars full". It doesn't make sense from a game or even real life prospective.

"My sub, my way" - Really? Are you so self centered that you can't see that the 3/7/23 other people in your party are also paying their subs but rather than being human pieces of s***, they respect their fellow player and perform to the best of their ability for the sake of the team?

Increasing the healing intensity without understanding why it's currently low is also another point that needs to be made. There are people of varying skill levels. This is something I've learned as a cold hard fact and is borderline impossible to change. And frankly, with Survival being a constraint that needs to be met, akin to DPS checks, if it's too hard, then you will see success rates of content drop to abysmal levels. Healing downtime is an evil necessity so that even the poorest player has a chance. What you do with your downtime determines how good a player you are.

Buffing? Sure, that works. Since it contributes to the goal of any combat related encounter without directly dealing damage yourself. I mean, people get off on being the supporter and that's fine if their support means something.

That idea somewhere earlier in the thread where if you keep people at high levels HP their character would do more damage? That could satiate the heal-only populace as well as make them more useful. Why not?