Dps As Healer

[Khalithar]

I think removing Cleric Stance would be the one thing that would actually, finally drive me to quit the game.

Hell, disabling it in PvP made me seriously consider it.

Disabling it in PVP was a smart move for frontlines, I've watched old PVP videos when cleric was active, whm's were absurdly overpowered in that state. In Feast I don't think it would matter so much since going in to cleric is a very risky proposition since you could very easily get ganked as soon as you hit it.

I don't think removing Cleric Stance will ever happen, I mean group content aside, Cleric is absolutely critical for whm/sch/ast being able to solo things with any sort of efficiency and it would be just awful not having that option if you haven't leveled/geared any other jobs. If they were to remove it in dungeons, I would only want it to be the case if the enemies were absurdly powerful and required near constant attention from the healer. Hell even when I go back and pull as many packs as I can, most healers are still able to go cleric in the current dungeon content except maybe if you go big with the first pull in Baelsar's and dps don't kill the sky armors. Every other pull in the main dungeons are a joke.

Unless they institute a mandatory minimum item synch in literally every single dungeon they release to keep the damage high, sooner or later we will overgear it and then healers will go right back to using their dps moves whether they have Cleric Stance or not.

[Vorx]

I can see how you always end up in verbal communication wars as you call it. I've simply asked a couple questions based on your statement prior. It can easily be misunderstood the way you phrased it. Spouting insults in my direction doesn't make your point more valid, nor does it add anything valuable to the discussion itself.

Same can be said about your statement.

[Azper]

Not this argument again. If you don't want to play to your full potential as a healer, whatever. But do me a favor and don't come crying to the forums and make a topic about how your lazy ass was booted out of a duty.

[Hyperia]

Easy fix for Cleric Stance is to disable it in dungeons and raids. Even if they dont, I expect the new Stormblood content to keep healers busy doing their main job and unable to DPS. Reminds me of going back to the 2.X days, you almost never saw a healer in Cleric unless it was a very special setup and very special circumstances.

[Lilseph]

Easy fix for Cleric Stance is to disable it in dungeons and raids. Even if they dont, I expect the new Stormblood content to keep healers busy doing their main job and unable to DPS. Reminds me of going back to the 2.X days, you almost never saw a healer in Cleric unless it was a very special setup and very special circumstances.

That's not a fix, lol. You're removing an alternative that some people like, punishing the people that actually want to DPS and Heal at the same time.

[Duelle]

I think removing Cleric Stance would be the one thing that would actually, finally drive me to quit the game.

Hell, disabling it in PvP made me seriously consider it.

If they removed it and rebalanced combat so that you can still deal decent damage while soloing and questing, but have to focus more on healing and removing status effects in dungeons and raids, what then?

That's not a fix, lol. You're removing an alternative that some people like, punishing the people that actually want to DPS and Heal at the same time.

Cleric Stance doesn't automatically turn on/off your spells. You still have access to Bio, Miasma, Aero, Stone, and Malefic. Your DPS contributions would obviously be lower, but then you're there to heal, not focus on e-peen DPS.

[alimdia]

Easy fix for Cleric Stance is to disable it in dungeons and raids. Even if they dont, I expect the new Stormblood content to keep healers busy doing their main job and unable to DPS. Reminds me of going back to the 2.X days, you almost never saw a healer in Cleric unless it was a very special setup and very special circumstances.

We must have played a different 2.x, because none of the 2.x dungeons are heal intensive.

If everyone did the bare minimum just like healer, tanks would so single pulls, did you know divine seal + regen can keep the tank up without a single cure cast? Did you know your fairy can keep the tank up without a single physick cast?

If they want healers to heal, then give them a reason to heal, right now the damage output is very low, make trash monsters do unavoidable AoE and not telegraphed aoes, make monsters put dots on random party members.

[Keydah]

Easy fix for Cleric Stance is to disable it in dungeons and raids. Even if they dont, I expect the new Stormblood content to keep healers busy doing their main job and unable to DPS. Reminds me of going back to the 2.X days, you almost never saw a healer in Cleric unless it was a very special setup and very special circumstances.

1. That's not a fix. That's taking away healers' ability to um...do stuff for most of the dungeon. It's not a fix in any way, regardless...because CS is not a problem. It's not a problem that healers are dpsing, it's a problem that people are attacking non-dpsing healers. I don't think it's okay to just stand around most of the time, but I'm not gonna harass someone over it.

2. You can be on your toes doing your main job and still have time to dps. Especially when we begin to outgear content at 70.

3. I don't remember seeing healers not dpsing. Maybe in 2.0-2.1 when I was a noob and not paying attention to anyone but my BLM self, but the whole time I've been playing a healer (2.2/2.3 or so onwards) I've been dpsing and seen other healers dpsing all the time. EDIT: K, Aurum Vale and Pharos are fairly healing intensive. Those are special situations though - you can/could always dps in other content.

EDIT so I don't double post in a few minutes timeframe:

My opinion: DPSing as a healer is boring. Your dps 'rotation' is so bare bones it's less complicated than 2.X BLM, making it incredibly easy to just zone out. There's hardly even any reason to be engaged when all you do is mash a single filler spell when your DoTs are up. You hardly even need to pay attention to anyone's HP except the MT's either.

Healing is boring (we don't exactly need to heal much, wouldn't be any funner if we had to heal constantly either), dpsing is boring (because we can't exactly heal AND have a super immersive rotation). Combine the two and it's a fun dance.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Soooooo what do you do the x% of the time when you're not healing? Sure you don't have to DPS, but why wouldn't you? It makes the runs go faster and it gives you something to do that makes this more challenging. I just don't understand that "argument" of 'I dont have to so I won't'.

My opinion: DPSing as a healer is boring. Your dps 'rotation' is so bare bones it's less complicated than 2.X BLM, making it incredibly easy to just zone out. There's hardly even any reason to be engaged when all you do is mash a single filler spell when your DoTs are up. You hardly even need to pay attention to anyone's HP except the MT's either.

[Hyperia]

We must have played a different 2.x, because none of the 2.x dungeons are heal intensive.

Original Arum Vale and Pharos 1.0 comes to mind...

With a good group, yes, its cake and smooth sailing but with the average pug back then, you earned your comms as a healer.