I280 weapons were a mistake

[Kosmos992k]

Because they don't want the gear that they spent dedicated amounts of time and effort getting to be worthless just so Diadem can get a few more people participating?

Given the drop rate, how is i270 gear worthless? Given RNG stat values, how is i270 gear worthless? I just don't see how a rare drop with uncertain stats stacks against current BiS. When Diadem first launched this same situation occurred, but the Frankenstein-weapons that some got were clearly inferior to current BiS at the time.

Honestly, this kind of over sensitive, instant panic makes end gamers and raiders look extremely insecure.

Miste pointed out that my original sentence I was both over generalizing and appeared to be insulting, and I apologize. It was a little barbed I will admit, and thta totally obscured the point I was trying to make. Here is a far better worded and clearer version of what I was trying to say.

Those complaining broadly speaking appear to be those who already have end game/raiding weapons and gear. By and large, that group does not include very many casual players - almost by definition. Logically the majority of the complaints about the i280 weapon are coming from end game players and raiders. Given the precarious nature of the i280 weapon and it's stats - due to RNG as well as the relatively low drop rate and conditions, I honestly can't see how anyone already possessing one or more i270 weapons has any significant reason to complain about it.

Which brings me back to the point I was making, and apparently botched. I don't think that those players should feel so insecure about their well earned gear even in the face of this thing in Diadem 2. Quite apart from anything else, those best placed to acquire that weapon are those very same players. I call it insecurity because the nature of the reaction and it's strength suggests that players complaining are not very secure or happy in their gear because they perceive this i280 as invalidating their prior efforts. I don't think anyone should feel that way, and in fact I'd suggest that the things earned before put you in a great position to obtain the i280 which I (for example) and many other more casual players will almost certainly never acquire. So, shy feel so insecure about your gear in relation to the i280 weapon in Diadem?

[Miste]

Honestly, this kind of over sensitive, instant panic makes end gamers and raiders look extremely insecure.

Don't generalize. I'm sure you are better than that :/

I could flip this sentence that you just wrote to the other side... to a generalization about "casuals", but that wouldn't be very nice right?

If people are unhappy with something they share feedback. What type of player they are is irrelevant.

I know things eventually all get invalidated, but like I said before 9 days after is way too soon to bring out something better. End of March? Sure. 9 days? Je ne comprends pas.

Considering the relic took awhile to make and each player put quite a bit of time into it...give the players time to enjoy their accomplishment before adding something better that you have to farm.

[Kosmos992k]

Don't generalize. I'm sure you are better than that :/

I could flip this sentence that you just wrote to the other side... to a generalization about "casuals", but that wouldn't be very nice right?

Yes, you're correct I did over generalize and I will go back and edit the original post.

However, if you remember the reaction to the original Diadem gear, and look at the ridiculous number of topics on the General Discussion forum about i280 weapons in Diadem 2 you have to concede that there is an extreme reaction and it's not a small number of people reacting. Additionally, those complaining are those who already have end game/raiding weapons and gear. By and large, that group does not include very many casual players - almost by definition. Logically the majority of the complaints about the i280 weapon are coming from end game players and raiders. Given the precarious nature of the i280 weapon and it's stats - due to RNG as well as the relatively low drop rate and conditions, I honestly can't see how anyone already possessing one or more i270 weapons has any significant reason to complain about it.

Which brings me back to the point I was making an apparently botched. I don't think that those players should feel so insecure about their well earned gear even in the face of this thing in Diadem 2. Quite apart from anything else, those best placed to acquire that weapon are those very same players. I call it insecurity because the nature of the reaction and it's strength suggests that players complaining are not very secure or happy in their gear because they perceive this i280 as invalidating their prior efforts. I don't think anyone should feel that way, and in fact I'd suggest that the things earned before put you in a great position to obtain the i280 which I (for example) and many other more casual players will almost certainly never acquire.

[bswpayton]

Yes, you're correct I did over generalize and I will go back and edit the original post.

However, if you remember the reaction to the original Diadem gear, and look at the ridiculous number of topics on the General Discussion forum about i280 weapons in Diadem 2 you have to concede that there is an

But I keep seeing these post pop up and Im still wondering who does this benefit at all, and to me its basically nobody. It doesn't benefit raiders, doesn't benefit midcore players like myself , and it certainly doesn't benefit casual players who dont even need a 280 weapon.

This was just a stupid Idea period, its hot now because its new but once people see how much time is wasted looking for the impossible it would die down Im pretty sure. The thing is you say that it wouldn't help but I certainly do think it would of helped mid core players that didnt wana grind , shire, or anima (me personally it was because of fates), if they would of put in a level 265, or level 270 weapon with a much higher drop rate in there instead there would be no backlash.

Whats the point in putting a non obtainable weapon in there its complete bs , and leaves midcore players that are still finishing up their trails and tryin to raid with nothing just like they had before diadum. This is one of the dumbest things to happen sense I started playing the game , putting this item in helps no one other than taking them away from content that you would actually need a high level weapon for with hopes of a pipe dream drop. When they could of put 265 or 270 weapons in as well instead of a garbage .01 percent chance of getting a 280 weapon

[Zigabar]

But I keep seeing these post pop up and Im still wondering who does this benefit at all, and to me its basically nobody. It doesn't benefit raiders, doesn't benefit midcore players like myself , and it certainly doesn't benefit casual players who dont even need a 280 weapon.

It benefits SE's bottom line. Keeps players subbed during the pre-expac lull with the chance of a nice carrot at the end of the stick.

It benefits me, personally as a FC leader, to keep my members engaged and allowing us one more thing to do as a group.

[bswpayton]

It benefits SE's bottom line. Keeps players subbed during the pre-expac lull with the chance of a nice carrot at the end of the stick.

It benefits me, personally as a FC leader, to keep my members engaged and allowing us one more thing to do as a group.

So your saying people wouldnt farm it for 270 weapons , when people run void ark still every week so they can keep upgrading gear when its the first 24 man. I just find it hard to believe that everyone has all of there jobs anything above 255 kinna weapon or even a lower level weapon. They may have a main a 275, or 270 but I doubt all of the ones they play, this content would of been fine with 265 weapon or 270 weapon.

[Zigabar]

So your saying people wouldnt farm it for 270 weapons , when people run void ark still every week so they can keep upgrading gear when its the first 24 man. I just find it hard to believe that everyone has all of there jobs anything above 255 kinna weapon or even a lower level weapon. They may have a main a 275, or 270 but I doubt all of the ones they play, this content would of been fine with 265 weapon or 270 weapon.

Did I say that?

[Aquaslash]

It benefits SE's bottom line. .

It doesn't even do that. People are unsubbing in protest. It's like Gordias except nobody remotely asked for it