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    Altena Trife
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    Excalibur
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    Lancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Cordie View Post
    You are (and should be) valuing both cases the same, in which case my suggestion is viable and fair.
    I am. But no it does not. It allows specific targetting of loot for players that do need it for specific purposes. Repeating myself again *sigh*.

    Want that Tank glamour? Then play tank.
    Need that Tank body piece for gear? Then play tank.
    Need Armorer desynth? Then play tank.
    Need seals? Then play any thing and you can still NEED on items that drop exclusive to you.

    Even your own math shows that the chance of obtaining a piece of gear relevant to the class you're playing is fairly evenly matched across the board.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cordie View Post
    Not sure if you agree here, but a difference of 1-5% chance is pretty insignificant.


    Current system is quite a bit off.
    My suggestion benefits those who need pieces for gearing other classes, glamours, as well as what you mention (seals/desynth) -we could even move desynth into a seperate category according to what you mention.
    It's not ok to put the needs of 1 group above 2 (or 3) others.
    You have it backwards. It only benefits people who need to gear other classes, and those who want seals.
    Furthermore you could argue that it actually penalizes seal seekers as well - as they no longer have any priority so they have a higher chance of walking out with nothing.
    - It flat out penalizes those that need gear for desynth - as it abolishes the ability to target specific gear (such as levelling Armorer desynth on Tank).
    - It massively penalizes those that need stuff for glamour - as those that are hunting glamour are targetting a specific piece. Why would you go on anything but the class you want the glamour for if that was your main reason for doing the dungeon.
    - Finally, that newbie Tank that is trying to level up their first job? Yeah they can forget about gear..

    You are putting words in my mouth....

    It's perfectly ok to have a loot priority that allows absolutely everyone to TARGET specific things that they actually really need. Especially when the chance of obtaining said item is practically the same across all roles.
    It is NOT ok to specifically expect others to pass on things just because someone else "Needs" it. As everyone "Needs" loot. However removing the ability to target specific things just penalizes nearly everyone involved, and means that more people will end up with stuff they don't need, and not get the stuff that they do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cordie View Post
    Making the "need" button available to everyone irrespective of job/class/role, as I suggested, does not exclude any job/class/role.
    But it does. Because that Tank can no longer prioritize their Tank gear. Now that tank piece that they had a 100% chance of winning if it dropped, suddenly drops to 25% - and that is 25% of the whatever % chance that the piece dropped in the first place..

    I mean with all your math brains I am surprised you haven't figured this one out..

    You say there is like a rough 15% chance to see the piece you need.
    With everyone able to suddenly NEED on that piece, you drop your odds of obtaining that piece down to less than 5% chance of getting it.
    Really scary when you look at it.

    Gear for classes they may play is not magically excluded if everyone can roll "need".
    If they need gear for a specific class, targeted loot is more beneficial in the current system. There is literally no argument here.

    Again I repeat...

    That chest piece (or pants) that has what.. 15% chance to drop to begin with, suddenly becomes sub-5% chance to obtain...

    Just play the class you so desperately need that gear for. If you're unwilling to play that class, then no - you don't need that specific piece for gear (because you obviously aren't willing to play it), and you can simply roll with the rest of the party already.
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    Last edited by Altena; 03-05-2017 at 09:01 AM.