Please make Top 30 Feast mount obtainable through other means.

[Magic-Mal]

*Meanwhile, China, Korea, and Japan are watching NA and EU with their exclusive items*

That NA and EU begged for

[Nirokun]

And nothing about implementing the same or similar rewards a year after the season negates the achievement of earning those rewards by competing.

Really? Cause to me a childish act is saying "These are my toys and only I get to play with them." People getting stuff later that you got before anyone else, isn't taking away the toys you got.

Please look at any sport and tell me where competition losers are given the same prestigious award as the competition winner. You're floundering in this argument, and anyone with common sense can see that losers don't get the same rewards as winners. Go join any sport, lose, and then demand you get the same trophy as the winners, I'd love to see the look on your face when the judges tell you "No, go away".

A trophy for a season's win has the date printed on it for posterity, so that all those afterwards know the achievement of that winner. This applies to FFXIV PVP because the models are different each season and each mode, so you can tell when and how someone won. To fabricate a counterfeit of a trophy, you are essentially marring the historical record, and this damages the achievement of the winner until the counterfeit is discovered and destroyed. This preserves the reward solely for the winner, as it should be.

Not the same and you know it. By your logic, every 4 legged mount then is just a reskin of the same thing. Every long coat? same thing.

What were you saying about childish behavior? Might wanna look in a mirror then.

It is the same skeleton and you know it. If you can't tell, that's on you. They made minor alterations and declared them Feast rewards, but here you come demanding this one, too. That's childish behavior. Ever seen children's sports? There's almost always some child who's a sore loser who cries about not getting a big trophy, who isn't in the spotlight. They cry and make a scene, then their mom scoops them up because that child has bad manners and has yet to learn good sportsmanship. You're supposed to learn that early on, I guess you'll learn it now.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

You see it as tasteless, but you overlooked the key words in your statement, "achievements they didn't earn". That's pretty much what I was waiting for you to say.

Did you compete in Season 3 and earn a Hellhound mount? No? THAT'S why you don't have one. You're trying to argue the logic that having it doesn't diminish the merits or achievements of those that did earn it, but that's just it; if they didn't earn it, why are they entitled to it? I've applied plenty of logic here, but you seem to miss that core idea. So let's keep it strictly to the game, since I am proud of my service and accomplishments within and won't cheapen it with this discussion.

I don't have a Kirin mount. All I need to get one is the Titan mount. Now, I've cleared Titan extreme plenty of times now, and lost rolls and even passed on the mount for others that simply wanted it more. I've since made no effort at all to get it. Key words there: MADE NO EFFORT. Am I then entitled to the Kirin? I've got 6 out of 7, and I can easily get it IF I try. But I already tried plenty of times before. I just didn't win it. But by your logic, I fully deserve it, no?

[Shippuu]

Did you compete in Season 3 and earn a Hellhound mount? No? THAT'S why you don't have one. You're trying to argue the logic that having it doesn't diminish the merits or achievements of those that did earn it, but that's just it; if they didn't earn it, why are they entitled to it? I've applied plenty of logic here, but you seem to miss that core idea. So let's keep it strictly to the game, since I am proud of my service and accomplishments within and won't cheapen it with this discussion.

I don't have to earn a Purple Heart by serving in the military but I can buy one from any plethora of websites and retailers that sell them. Once again you can't seem to get it out of your head that people want the mounts to be just given to them and not simply earned in another way. Just because they got the same thing as you but earned it in a different way doesn't mean it negates how you earned it.

It doesn't get much simpler than that and if you can't realize that then we're done here. No one is entitled to anything, people just want things because they do. It's perfectly acceptable for people to ask for things to be obtain in different manners or at a later date.

I don't have a Kirin mount. All I need to get one is the Titan mount. Now, I've cleared Titan extreme plenty of times now, and lost rolls and even passed on the mount for others that simply wanted it more. I've since made no effort at all to get it. Key words there: MADE NO EFFORT. Am I then entitled to the Kirin? I've got 6 out of 7, and I can easily get it IF I try. But I already tried plenty of times before. I just didn't win it. But by your logic, I fully deserve it, no?

Once again you continue to use analogies comparing apples and oranges. You own example is so pathetically poor as usual. The Kirin mount was harder to get before than it was now, you couldn't cheese fights and the drop rates on ponies was much lower. Now, the drop rates are incredibly high for them, the fights can be done unsynced with very powerful gear and completed/farmed in no time.

So the effort use to obtain them is almost zero even if you do go get them, and people can even be carried through to get them where they still give no effort. So why you're using examples that make your argument even more ridiculous is beyond me.

I'm going to put this in bold because maybe you will get it through your, at this point, apparently intentionally obtuse mind:
Earning the same mount, through a different means at a later time, is not being handed a freebie. It does not invalidate the original achievement that awarded the mount in the first place.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I don't have to earn a Purple Heart by serving in the military but I can buy one from any plethora of websites and retailers that sell them. Once again you can't seem to get it out of your head that people want the mounts to be just given to them and not simply earned in another way. Just because they got the same thing as you but earned it in a different way doesn't mean it negates how you earned it.

I don't even know where to begin with the Purple Heart thing. . . Wounded in battle vs just buying it. . . No, it doesn't negate how they earned it, but the difference IS that they earned it. I'm going to simply end that line of discussion there.

As for people asking for things to be obtainable at a later date, this and the legacy stuff is literally the ONLY content in game that can't be obtained later, give or take a few seasonal event/crossover items. These few things still pale in comparison to everything else you CAN still get later, like many of the examples we've both listed. And with new stuff always being added anyways, is it so bad if you don't get that ONE THING you didn't compete for? Here's again what you seem to be missing: You're asking for a competition award to be offered via a different means than the competition it was meant as a prize for, despite the fact there's still a chance to get it in Season 4. Are you going to participate in Season 4? Do you want that mount bad enough to participate?

If no, then no, you do NOT deserve it. You said it yourself, "No one is entitled to anything, people just want things because they do."

So then, you'll be competing in Season 4, right?

[DamianFatale]

I don't have to earn a Purple Heart by serving in the military but I can buy one from any plethora of websites and retailers that sell them. [/b]

Nobody wants to earn a Purple Heart. This a case where people want a mount, which is different. You also can't compare a virtual mount to a loss of lives.

[Shippuu]

Nobody wants to earn a Purple Heart. This a case where people want a mount, which is different. You also can't compare a virtual mount to a loss of lives.

Then go with my previous example of something like a Medal of Honor. Missing the point entirely.

I also wasn't the one who initially tried to compare the situation with stolen valor or a myriad of other real world analogies that aren't remotely the same.

[Shippuu]

is it so bad if you don't get that ONE THING you didn't compete for?

I can ask you the same question. Is it so bad if other people people get things later earned by different means? Considering everything else goes that same route. I used to be salty about PvP armor getting reduced, and eventually removed, requirements of PvP rank, because I felt like then people could get the armor that I had to seriously earn through hard grinding back when Wolve's Den first came out. But I got over it, because that's how these things go, stuff becomes easier to get, and having more things accessible is good for the game in general.
Far more people would enjoy earning these things through other means, than those who would be bothered by their availability being made more open later on. That's the simple truth.

So then, you'll be competing in Season 4, right?

Of course I will be, but considering I reside on a data center with not only a combination of the most populated servers, on top of one of the highest amounts of PvP'ers, it shows how the miniscule amount of rewards distributed per data center is a flawed design.

[hollowjf]

I just hate that the mount are not for everyone
Top 100 on how many millions players?
Come on....

[Aviars]

I just hate that the mount are not for everyone
Top 100 on how many millions players?
Come on....

The noble chocobo barding and various accessories gained from the Gear design contests aren't meant for everyone either. Give it up, not everything about this game is meant to be for the casual crowd.

Also nice job necroing a year old thread