Please make Top 30 Feast mount obtainable through other means.

[Nirokun]

If you don't want to compete because other people can get the same shinies as you later through a different means, that's on you. People still rush to world first for raids, and do savage raids competitively and regularly, despite the fact they could just wait for 6 months and get the stuff easier.

No, if you don't want to compete or are a competition loser, that's on you. The opportunity to compete exists for everyone, there's even 2 seasons offering similar rewards before SE offers the next reward. This is the model put forth for the content to draw players to the competition, it is designed in this way, and there is specific language used on feast pages denoting that only competition winners get exclusive rewards for being successful in any given season.

There's absolutely no reason to show up with pitchforks demanding the rewards given to winners of a competition, that's incredibly childish and poor sportsmanship.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Because those who like to compete, compete regardless of the rewards.

So, by that same logic, those who don't like to compete likely wouldn't be motivated to do so for a competition reward right? I mean, if that's the only means of getting it, but you don't want to compete, no big deal, right?

They still get the rewards first before anyone else. If you don't want to compete because other people can get the same shinies as you later through a different means, that's on you.

It's really not about getting it first, and many PvPers have chimed in on this, saying exactly that. You continue to miss where I said it's about earning a reward proportional to the effort put into it. . . Or are you saying it'd be perfectly okay to get raid level gear from sub-raid content? Hi, Diadem kinda did that, and with Gordias being the huge pain it was back then, it further crippled the raid scene. Or how about that time Hunts gave you EVERYTHING but Atma? It got so bad, they had to create a relic step designed to make people run instances again.

What's your insistence on whack analogies that are in no way comparable to this situation? There's nothing stopping someone from having a fake Super Bowl trophy made for them if they wanted. Someone else getting a reward later doesn't invalidate the reward you got first. They've already set the precedence for this throughout the game in every aspect. This is no different. It's a common practice in MMO's.

You say my analogies are whack, yet come up with something like people having a fake trophy made? Sorry, but that's not what I asked. I said would it make sense to lose - that means NOT WIN the Super Bowl - but then obtain an equal award to the winners through Non-Super Bowl games?

[Nirokun]

I would prefer alternate skin/effect versions being obtained by other means not PvP.

Alternate skin/effect versions are more interesting that the same skin mount over and over again.

This already exists. The S1/S2 rewards are reskinned Uraeus Coat, the S3/S4 rewards are reskinned Fenrir mount. Go to the marketboard for the Uraeus Coat, and get 1 million MGP for Fenrir, there, you have what you want.

[Shippuu]

No, if you don't want to compete or are a competition loser, that's on you. The opportunity to compete exists for everyone, there's even 2 seasons offering similar rewards before SE offers the next reward. This is the model put forth for the content to draw players to the competition, it is designed in this way, and there is specific language used on feast pages denoting that only competition winners get exclusive rewards for being successful in any given season.

And nothing about implementing the same or similar rewards a year after the season negates the achievement of earning those rewards by competing.

There's absolutely no reason to show up with pitchforks demanding the rewards given to winners of a competition, that's incredibly childish and poor sportsmanship.

Really? Cause to me a childish act is saying "These are my toys and only I get to play with them." People getting stuff later that you got before anyone else, isn't taking away the toys you got.

[Shippuu]

So, by that same logic, those who don't like to compete likely wouldn't be motivated to do so for a competition reward right? I mean, if that's the only means of getting it, but you don't want to compete, no big deal, right?

Many people don't compete because the competition is designed in a way that often times people with the most free time earn it and not necessarily the best, or other exploits such as the common problem of win-trading or even flat out cheating that players use and go unpunished.

It's really not about getting it first, and many PvPers have chimed in on this, saying exactly that. You continue to miss where I said it's about earning a reward proportional to the effort put into it. . . Or are you saying it'd be perfectly okay to get raid level gear from sub-raid content?

This happens all the time, not even talking about relics that are BiS and better than the top tier raid weapons that involve zero raid content to complete. There's dungeon gear that's as good as/better than old raid gear. What you fail to understand is the concept of time apparently. Once agian you try to bring up raid gear though like it's anywhere comparable to vanity mounts. The two things are not the same, you're trying to compar apples and oranges here.

but then obtain an equal award to the winners through Non-Super Bowl games?

Just because an athlete wins this particularly trophy, doesn't mean that another athlete winning a trophy invalidates the first trophy. Even if the trophies are identical it still doesn't negate either achievement.

[Shippuu]

This already exists. The S1/S2 rewards are reskinned Uraeus Coat, the S3/S4 rewards are reskinned Fenrir mount. Go to the marketboard for the Uraeus Coat, and get 1 million MGP for Fenrir, there, you have what you want.

Not the same and you know it. By your logic, every 4 legged mount then is just a reskin of the same thing. Every long coat? same thing.

What were you saying about childish behavior? Might wanna look in a mirror then.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

So. . . Are you really saying awarding the championship prize to those who don't win, even if it's just later but they still did not win a championship is okay?

So, totally okay if a Silver Medalist in the Olympics is awarded the Gold, but they have to wait say, 1 year? I mean, by your logic, it doesn't make the Gold Medalist's achievement any lesser, but are you saying the Silver's sub-Olympic achievements are equally worthy of Gold? Really?

We really need a redefinition of sport and competition here, if that's what you're implying.

[Shippuu]

So. . . Are you really saying awarding the championship prize to those who don't win, even if it's just later but they still did not win a championship is okay?

Yes because it's par the course for this game and others. Virtually every other aspect of the game is made trivialized/easier over time, "invalidating" the accomplishments of people who did them first/earlier. So this would just be another brick in the wall.

So, totally okay if a Silver Medalist in the Olympics is awarded the Gold, but they have to wait say, 1 year? I mean, by your logic, it doesn't make the Gold Medalist's achievement any lesser, but are you saying the Silver's sub-Olympic achievements are equally worthy of Gold? Really?

More useless analogies. This game =/= the olympics. People who win the feast seasons are not olympians, they're not super bowl athletes. I can go online and buy a legit actual olympic medal if I had the money, does that mean me now having an olympic medal negates the achievements of the actual olympians? I can buy a superbowl ring too, doesn't change a thing.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I'm prior service military. Please google "Stolen Valor" and perhaps you might understand where I'm coming from. I hope.

[Shippuu]

I'm prior service military. Please google "Stolen Valor" and perhaps you might understand where I'm coming from. I hope.

Stolen valor refers to people trying to claim military achievements they didn't earn, usually for benefits or some other thing. Simply owning a medal of honor etc. or wearing it, selling it etc., is protected under freedom of speech and is no crime. I think you should google it because apparently you don't know what it means or how it works.

Since you like analogies, it would be like someone in this game getting the Season 3 mount through another means, then claiming they earned it by being a top 100 season 3 player, and trying to use that as leverage for some kind of benefit, like say getting them a spot in a PvP team or something of monetary value.

Them simply owning the mount that happens to be the same one as the Season 3 winner, means nothing.

That you would try to compare serving in the military and the honors earned from that, with a digital mount in a video game, is a bit tasteless imo.