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[Felis]

And there was a perfectly legitimate alternative solution for them: unlinking the MSQ from progression to the next expansion. They went the cash-grabby route instead.

rewriting the whole MSQ is not really a alternative solution.

I mean, we have to pay, on top of a subscription, for a "play dead" emote and Dark Red/Blue dye.

Then get General-purpose Dark Blue Dye or General-purpose Dark Red Dye from Quick Exploration Venture and Market Board instead of the cash shop dyes. It only need luck or gil.

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Quick_Exploration

[Naunet]

rewriting the whole MSQ is not really a alternative solution.

It's not rewriting the MSQ. It's literally just dividing it into discreet chunks that you can start when you want - a la GW2. -_-

[Felis]

It's not rewriting the MSQ. It's literally just dividing it into discreet chunks that you can start when you want - a la GW2. -_-

Will still need a rewrite. 2.0-4.0 is a whole story, not a collection of short stories with not much connection between them.
Or we will get a chronology fragmented story like in FF XIII-2, where you start with fighting for Ala Migho, and then enter your first time Eorzea, following with a raid to the garlean capitol, and at the end to fight against Nidhogg.

[GeminiXIV]

I havent looked nor made a post in this forum for a very long time. I just have to ask... Why is this a real issue with nearly 40 pages?

[Kaiden019]

It's not an issue. People don't understand how an optional item shop works. The items put on the shop are not ones that they made and were like "screw the players, put it on the item shop." These items wouldn't be put in the game if the item shop didn't exist. The items themselves would not exist.

[Naunet]

Will still need a rewrite. 2.0-4.0 is a whole story, not a collection of short stories with not much connection between them.
Or we will get a chronology fragmented story like in FF XIII-2, where you start with fighting for Ala Migho, and then enter your first time Eorzea, following with a raid to the garlean capitol, and at the end to fight against Nidhogg.

I take it you don't really know how GW2 manages story. Or... any other MMO. If you want the whole story, you play through the quests, but starting the new expansion should NOT require having completed the past ones. It doesn't require jumbling up the story at all. You are just able to pick up the expac's starting quest at your liesure (so long as one is of the appropriate level).

This is kind of a side topic, but the jump potions are just another symptom of wanting to simply use the mogstation as an easy, cash-grabbing out.

[Kaedan]

This is kind of a side topic, but the jump potions are just another symptom of wanting to simply use the mogstation as an easy, cash-grabbing out.

No, they are a necessity brought about by having multiple expansions and the level cap raising. Nearly every major MMO in existence (and most minor ones) have a level skip option after a few level cap raises.

[ErryK]

It's not rewriting the MSQ. It's literally just dividing it into discreet chunks that you can start when you want - a la GW2. -_-

I believe Yoshida already said no to that because it would require an entire rework of the quest system anyways, but it wasn't exactly to that but it was to a question about redoing quests.

Because these quests are all triggered with flags, to make this possible, we might have to recreate the entire quest system itself from the ground up. Now that I think about it, though… each of these battles are created as individual content. If we could create a list of ones that have been completed and use that list to re-create the situation, it might not be impossible… The idea and implementation? Not impossible. It would take a lot of debugging, though, so if you cannot wait… Make a new character.

Source:http://gamerescape.com/2017/02/19/le...017-frankfurt/

[Belhi]

It's not rewriting the MSQ. It's literally just dividing it into discreet chunks that you can start when you want - a la GW2. -_-

GW2 runs on a different engine and GW2 offers a free jump to lvl 80 if you own HoT. FF14 is actually one of the few MMOs which don't offer such a service in the west at this point.

We don't know if FF14's engine is really flexible enough to separate the MSQ and maintain its quest flagging and phasing. Do remember things change an unlock as you progress. Let's just say that in SB we get sent to the Rising Stones. Would that mean starting there would unlock it? What would that mean for the flagging process during the 2.X MSQ that leads to it unlocking?

I don't think its a simple as 'just dividing it into discreet chunks'.

[Naunet]

GW2 runs on a different engine and GW2 offers a free jump to lvl 80 if you own HoT. FF14 is actually one of the few MMOs which don't offer such a service in the west at this point.

Levels also are fairly meaningless in GW2, so the level jump is not comparable. It is simply an example of how a coherent story can be presented without walling people off from participating in content that they'd like to engage in. It's not even the only example, as every MMO I've seen that does story expansions works in this way or similar.

As far as things like the Rising Stones, that would simply be unlocked when you get to the point in the story that you need to go there. It can be treated like any other phased zone in MMOs, and it wouldn't be all that confusing to the player.

No, they are a necessity brought about by having multiple expansions and the level cap raising. Nearly every major MMO in existence (and most minor ones) have a level skip option after a few level cap raises.

But in those MMOs, they do not also require you to complete all of the old expansion story prior to participating in the current expansion content. The STORY JUMP potion is a cheap cash grab.