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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    Except that FFXIV started as an all inclusive theme resort, and has now started seeming a bit more like a nickel and dime resort where the basic room and board are covered, but the extras that make a vacation are extra.

    Honestly, I would prefer to see a modest sub increase, it's been steady for almost 4 years, inflation is still real, and I would prefer to pay up front instead of being nickel and dimed to death. There is a reason I and many others despise the F2P model. Seeing this whale hunting in a game with a strong subscription model is dissapointing.
    One of the reasons I said the theme park comparison wasn't entirely 1:1 was, for example, the recent "Little Lady's Day" event. For roughly 30 minutes or less of effort, the game gives you vouchers for a 5 piece exclusive outfit and an emote. No cash shop tie-in or special extra purchases necessary outside of the game and subscription fee. Gettin' some free souvenirs there, but I guess maybe that could be tied into a limited time special or something.

    Now, I see the kerfluffle are certain things like that /playdead emote where instead of there being an event for these, they were put straight into the shop. But I feel like the chicken/egg question with those is whether or not the devs would have created these straight-to-cash-shop items if there hadn't been a cash-shop to monetize the production time put into making them. We haven't suddenly stopped getting new outfits and emotes handed out to us for free* (*game price and subscription, yadda yadda), we still get those, in addition to these straight-to-shop items that I'm unsure if you can really prove whether these items would even have been created if SE had not plopped the cash shop down on the game.

    Basically, you still get the same complimentary breakfast at the hotel, but now the hotel offers the option of a premium breakfast room service options for an additional fee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
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    Honestly, I would prefer to see a modest sub increase, it's been steady for almost 4 years, inflation is still real, and I would prefer to pay up front instead of being nickel and dimed to death [...]
    While I understand you want to just pay everything up front; not everyone cares about the extra items in the shop, so it would potentially cause a drop in subs if people saw their subscription fee go up for the sake of items they weren't even interested in to begin with.

    Maybe they could introduce a premium subscription option for those who are interested in getting those additional items tied in without feeling nickel and dimed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seig345 View Post
    While I understand you want to just pay everything up front; not everyone cares about the extra items in the shop, so it would potentially cause a drop in subs if people saw their subscription fee go up for the sake of items they weren't even interested in to begin with.
    Could we please apply the same logic to content like Savage Raids? Because as it stands, it's included in the subscription fees, despite not everyone being interested in them to begin with. Let's allow people to reduce their subscription fees if they don't care about that kind of content.

    Actually, just make a bunch of boxes for content you can tick, then have the sub fee calculated automatically from that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    Could we please apply the same logic to content like Savage Raids? Because as it stands, it's included in the subscription fees, despite not everyone being interested in them to begin with. Let's allow people to reduce their subscription fees if they don't care about that kind of content.

    Actually, just make a bunch of boxes for content you can tick, then have the sub fee calculated automatically from that.
    If you want to take the game's primary feature, online RPG combat/cooperatiob, and compare it to a dress and a wind-up doll, that's your prerogative.
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    "Ul'dah can keep their dusty markets, and their streets paved in silver and gold.
    Limsa Lominsa keep your pirates, and your ships covered in musty mold.
    My loyalty lies with Gridania, with the Moogles and the tree spirits of old." -The Forky Conjurer