Is our sub fee not enought

[bswpayton]

With this type of game what people consider good is

but to be fair tho I cant think of another game that gives new content even if its a little bit every three months and it seems that alot of players over look this , thats so many updates when other games will give you the base game and then an expansion and your left to fiddle your thumbs until something else comes. This game seems to have a very spoiled player base at least on the forums, its things Id love in the game but Im not gona expect everything just cause I pay 15 well really for me 20 bucks a month. Especially coming here from swtor, that before I left milked you for one chapter a month on their expansion, Im just grateful for what they do give even if I dont use everything in the game.

[Kuroneko_Jutah]

This game seems to have a very spoiled player base at least on the forums, its things Id love in the game but Im not gona expect everything just cause I pay 15 well really for me 20 bucks a month.

As a 10+ year MMO veteran, this is nothing. Almost all MMO official forums have a vocal minority complaining about anything and everything from "this player did that thing and I don't like it" to "stop making items for your cash shop and spend that money on things I want." Few here, if anyone, actually understands how FFXIV's development team is structured, how decisions are made (or even by whom they are made), how their budget works, how much oversight Square-Enix corporate has over the game's operation itself, etc.

Everyone on the forums has a Bachelor's in Business and/or Computer Science and knows how easy it is to make the things they want in the game. /s

[Skivvy]

As a 10+ year MMO veteran, this is nothing. Almost all MMO official forums have a vocal minority complaining about anything and everything from "this player did that thing and I don't like it" to "stop making items for your cash shop and spend that money on things I want." Few here, if anyone, actually understands how FFXIV's development team is structured, how decisions are made (or even by whom they are made), how their budget works, how much oversight Square-Enix corporate has over the game's operation itself, etc.

Everyone on the forums has a Bachelor's in Business and/or Computer Science and knows how easy it is to make the things they want in the game. /s

I am also a 10+ year MMO veteran, and this discussion definitely has a place to exist. Don't simply try and write it off as "the vocal minority" complaining again.

For what it is worth, I am 100% OK with cash shops being in F2P and B2P games as all companies need to have a source of income from somewhere. I've spent my more than fair share in these other games, and I have no regrets.

For XIV, you first have to purchase the game itself (which is fine), then pay a subscription (also OK), and then if you want to collect all items (including exclusives), you can pay even more money at their cash shop (this is where the issue begins).

In my opinion, a cash shop on a subscription game should NEVER contain exclusive items. Give the players a chance to obtain all items in game, at least once, then maybe move those items into the cash shop. There will always be players who started late, or missed an event.

[Skivvy]

but to be fair tho I cant think of another game that gives new content even if its a little bit every three months and it seems that alot of players over look this , thats so many updates when other games will give you the base game and then an expansion and your left to fiddle your thumbs until something else comes. This game seems to have a very spoiled player base at least on the forums, its things Id love in the game but Im not gona expect everything just cause I pay 15 well really for me 20 bucks a month. Especially coming here from swtor, that before I left milked you for one chapter a month on their expansion, Im just grateful for what they do give even if I dont use everything in the game.

To bring up everyone's favorite topic, FFXI! For those not aware, this is SE's only other MMO to date. (I can hear the groans!)

But anyway, XI included all* game items in your monthly subscription. You paid your sub, and that was that! So now here comes XIV, which is from the same company, and they've completely done away with their old business model. Now they seem quite content to double-dip their characters whenever they can, constantly raising prices to boot.

You call us spoiled, I call the company greedy. They've done a complete 180 on how they run their MMOs, and that's a shame.




*Because someone always nitpicks this - this is not including expansion packs, fan-fest items, etc.

[bswpayton]

To bring up everyone's favorite topic, FFXI! For those not aware, this is SE's only other MMO to date. (I can hear the groans!)

But anyway, XI included all* game items in your monthly subscription. You paid your sub, and that was that! So now here comes XIV, which is from the same company, and they've completely done away with their old business model.

This is a new age and a new market wow is a billion dollar company, league of legions makes so much money its crazy Id never play either of these and I know league isnt an mmo. But my point is , why do you think they put cash shop in to begin with where do you think the jump potions are gona end up, if you look at other mmos they have cash shops. Those other mmos sell gear, already sell jump potions, sell way more mounts, exp boast all kinds of stuff. And swtor even sells gamble boxes and they have subs as well and use the cash shop even more than this game , and Id prob say it profits more than this game does as well. To keep and maintain this game or to make it stay competitive with other games you cant use the same business model from years past.

Mmos are not really growing like they did in years past, you have to do things similar to your competitors and thats what SE is doing, there is hardly anything in the mog station like last time I checked a dress and some dye and now these emotes. Like compared to other places this is nothing , so why are people complaining, if you think that this game is just gona sit idle and not try to capitalize like every other game on the market then you must not no how business works. Ill say it again no subs arent enough subs are never going to be enough in any game period companies will always be looking to make extra money and that goes from burger king, to movie theaters, to here video games, there is no such thing as too much that's called capitalism and its just how things work.


Things come at a price I see your comment above its simply a choice I wanted the hw griffin mount but I wasnt willing to pay for the extra special edition price for that mount. Im not willing to preorder storm blood when I can just buy it on june 20th when its cheaper, the game isnt forcing you to do anything. Unless you buy all the special edition stuff, then some things are just out of ur reach in general. Why is this a problem, you dont have to have everything in the game , nobody said this when you signed up for your sub I know it didnt say that on mine.

[Lexia]

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Think most the outrage is not that there is a cash shop and they putting stuff in it, it the price they are charging for the items on top of paying a monthly sub. Lot of people seem to be unhappy about a emote costing $7, now if they lowered that price to say $3 for the emote would there still be people that unhappy? Yes but I think a lot less would complain about it and be more ok with. Least that what I feel is going on, that cash shop for what it selling it ok it just priced too high for be a sub game.

[bswpayton]

Think most the outrage is not that there is a cash shop and they putting stuff in it, it the price they are charging for the items on top of paying a monthly sub. Lot of people seem to be unhappy

But isnt a part of that because so many players are agaisnt what is sold in there to begin with , like I said the items are so limited its hardly anything even in the mog station and I think thats an attempt to stay true to their base.

They added a dress oh the forums freaked on the dress is 18 dollars , they been selling the same three mounts on there for how long now. They put limited items in there so that people want start calling them buy to play , like I said swtor is a sub based game to and SE has every right to go in that direction if they want to yea you can play old stuff for free but the new stuff is still based on your sub. So with their limited options on what they can sale then I dont see a problem with an emote even being 10 dollars cause at the end of the day people will complain about it anyway literally on every item they have put in there sense Ive been scrolling the forums.

[Lexia]

said swtor is a sub based game to .

Last I checked swtor was a freemium that had both free and paid models. But I think you totally missed the point of my thread.

[Kyuuen]

Think most the outrage is not that there is a cash shop and they putting stuff in it, it the price they are charging for the items on top of paying a monthly sub. Lot of people seem to be unhappy about a emote costing $7, now if they lowered that price to say $3 for the emote would there still be people that unhappy? Yes but I think a lot less would complain about it and be more ok with. Least that what I feel is going on, that cash shop for what it selling it ok it just priced too high for be a sub game.

If the cost of the item is the issue then just wait for them to show up on sale. They do occasionally run sales on items in the mogstation if I'm not mistaken.

Probably because they look like total rip-offs now. I've tried to get friends to play FFXIV before, base game + expansion + subscription + items locked away in a cash shop is a very tough sell.

I don't mean to assume, but this sounds like people are simply looking for reasons not to play. While this here is the most likely culprit.

[Skivvy]

Things come at a price I see your comment above its simply a choice I wanted the hw griffin mount but I wasnt willing to pay for the extra special edition price for that mount. Im not willing to preorder storm blood when I can just buy it on june 20th when its cheaper, the game isnt forcing you to do anything. Unless you buy all the special edition stuff, then some things are just out of ur reach in general. Why is this a problem, you dont have to have everything in the game , nobody said this when you signed up for your sub I know it didnt say that on mine.

I'm not concerned about CE game/expansion, plushie, OST items. These are marketing/promotional items, and that's a different beast all together. Perhaps I should have clarified further on post #274, because as I mentioned, it always gets nitpicked.

The exclusive items I have an issue with are the ones that go directly to the cash shop. The new emotes, Far Eastern Garb, the mounts, Scion outfits, etc.

Times do change, and cash shops do seem to be creeping in everywhere. I obviously don't think they belong on a sub game, but I'd personally be OK with it in XIV if they would do the following:

1) Have only account items (fantasias, server transfer, name change) and items that have been obtainable in game at least once
2) Have a system to convert gil to Crysta
3) Lower the damn prices. @.@ I play Archeage as well, which is arguably one of the largest money-grabs at the moment, and SE's prices rival that of AA.