Is our sub fee not enought

[bswpayton]

XIV's profits or the profits from supporting merchandise (Cash shop, plushies etc)?
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what is wrong with that tho, as long as t hey are providing a good game, let those whom wana buy the extra stuff do it , seriously we get so much stuff I dont even have time to play other games cause its so much stuff to do in this game and Ive been playing for months. Someone showed me the numbers the other day dont think the are official but they make a few hundred million well wow makes more and thats who we compete wit so lets let the devs make more money so what its a business thats what businesses do. A sub isnt gona make them put everything in the game when they can make side money to , if people get mad over this I wana know what game they think does it better because all of them have similar practices.

[Reynhart]

If then profits are growing regardless, chances are they are coming from supporting merchandise

Not necessarily. We can assume that a month of development cost less than the sum of all subscriptions for that month.
So, with each passing month, the game's profits are only growing more and more.

[Yonanja]

Not necessarily. We can assume that a month of development cost less than the sum of all subscriptions for that month.
So, with each passing month, the game's profits are only growing more and more.

The sum of total profits is growing yes. This does not mean that the game is becoming more and more profitable however. I do belive that FFXIV is most likely nothing much more than a cashcow for SE, at least atm, to help fund other endevours.

[Reynhart]

This does not mean that the game is becoming more and more profitable however.

The ratio might still be the same, but this isn't what's important. FFXI became the most profitable FF of all time way after its prime time, only by the total amount of money it earned. And, if that source is to be believed, FFXIV is already the second most profitable FF game (before inflation).

[bswpayton]

The ratio might still be the same, but this isn't what's important. FFXI became the most profitable FF of all time way after its prime time, only by the total amount of money it earned. And, if that source is to be believed, FFXIV is already the second most profitable FF game (before inflation).

but who are we to tell the game that enough is enough , like if you are making millions are billions why would you cap yourself and why would you want them to cap themselves. I am of the view point of any way they can earn extra revenue for making us a great game is fine with me wish more people would be on board with that they already gave us what 50 plus emotes the fact that the community would complain about one or two being sold just sounds spoiled to me.

[Reynhart]

but who are we to tell the game that enough is enough

That wasn't my point. I just wanted to say that there is no proof that the "growing profits" come from supporting merchandise.

I don't personally "like" the cash shop, so I simply don't buy anything from it (Except that one time with the Eternal Bond). Complainants are encouraged to do the same, while those willing to pay more are free to continue.

[Kurogaea]

If the game is doing so well, you'd think they'd be giving the players and fans some fanservice, not like bubbies or anything but maybe a bit more references to other games and collabs with games they're currently working on. That'd be awesome. Anyways, Neir plzzzz

[Zojha]

So, with each passing month, the game's profits are only growing more and more.

That's not how businesses calculate profits >_>
Though in fairness, that is a clever marketing trick to claim your product is more profitable than it actually is, because semantically you're right: The sum of profits is increasing, therefore the product becomes more and more profitable. Which in turn makes Space Invader the most profitable game out there - Screw WoW and League of Legends!

When an investor/shareholder reads "more and more profitable" however, he expects the yearly/quarterly profits to become higher and higher, not the sum of them. And that means you need to make as much profit as in the last reporting period plus something extra. That's how profit is usually understood in business.

It might be that the person I was replying to meant the more misleading definition - in that case, naturally my arguments hold no water. I simply assumed the more common definition was used.

[Skivvy]

I can't recall who suggested this earlier in the thread, but I really like the idea of having a way to convert in-game gil to crysta in order to purchase things from the market.

The cash shop is obviously here to stay, and the prices just seem to be getting more and more ridiculous. I think it would appease a lot of the people who are adamantly against the cash shop as there would still be an "in-game" method (of sorts) to purchase the items. Plenty of other MMOs do this. I would imagine the exchange rate would be quite high (knowing SE), but it would be nice to have the option.

[Ghishlain]

More housing options ! Wait, do you hear that? ... WOOOSH! That's the sound of all those new lots being purchased under an hour of being open haha. I should make an instanced house billboard or something so I can post it on the fly lol. Hope Yoshida has seen Wildstar, or out of the last 10 posts that I mentioned it that one of our forum gods suggested they check it out (just the housing system, suggest the trailer its short and easy to see~ lol) XD...

Man, don't get me started on the FFXIV housing file, I have a lot of choice words for it and none of them are positive, sadly >>;...

Just to add though this link doesn't prove that cash shop was used for adding more inventory space, but that they said that they use cash shop funds for somethings (like EU server). I'm sure some of it is helpful to the game, and other games.

I was just putting that link out there since it was mentioned in a few points throughout the OF that people weren't sure if it was quoted that the Cash Shop helped fun the EU data centre. By some rights it wouldn't be a long hard to extend that thought to say that it would be used to create server infrastructure necessary for the storage increase either. With that being said that video was from 2+ years ago and who knows what may or may not have changed in that time frame. We don't have any information about exactly what S-E spends the FFXIV profits on so any opinion we have is just conjuncture and I for one don't see too much to worry about (yet).

I don't really want to get into the the main thread discussion too much - to me I just see a lot of hyperbolic rhetoric and faulty logic being applied with real world examples that make me roll my eyes. I'm personally impartial towards cash shop as it has no positive or negative effect on me though I do have the opinion that I don't feel $7 is not too much for an emote either - my only complaint to that being it should be account wide and not single character. But it is a one time fee so comparing it to a monthly subscription seems kinda silly to me. If you play your character for a year, your $7 effectively translates into $0.58 / month and just keeps getting better from there.

I care more about game balance and job balance in some regards - oh and making an official parser =D *Prepares flame shield*

English I no goody goody, try hard - fail harder. Bring dishonor to family- please send help. :P

Bah, I've seen much worse =p Just put away that great Katana and keep going forward =p