Concerned about Yoshi-P

[weeble]

I really..really hope this is sarcasm, otherwise the company I'm at been developing games the wrong way for years -- All the money we could saved!

heres a time line (game gets developed) (game launches)

ffxiv time line (game gets semi developed) (game launches) (more development) ..the cost is where? in the development, having to start over or not, is no different then them scraping a project and doing another one at worse no?

[Travesty]

To be honest, it's a little ridiculous to be all concerned and fawning over the "health" of a game dev, who by the way, is probably making 6 figures and in all likelihood has secured his future with this job.

I mean really? You don't know this guy lol. You really have no clue at all about how he lives his life, or his work schedule, or what "cares" his supervisors are taking, or anything else. What are you gonna worry about next, his fiber intake?

He's not a charity worker. He's a dude getting paid, probably very well, for a moderately difficult job.

If you wanna put care packages together, how about putting one together for the soldier who's sweating his balls off and getting shot at in some god-forsaken country across the world from his home? Or one for some poor person who lost everything when a tsunami decided to wash away everything they owned? Or how about one of the millions of kids who's about to starve to death or die from AIDS in some bankrupt country?

I dunno, the OP just reeks of silliness to me. Seriously, there are a lot better people to be worried about than "Yoshi-P."

[JackDaniels]

To be honest, it's a little ridiculous to be all concerned and fawning over the "health" of a game dev, who by the way, is probably making 6 figures and in all likelihood has secured his future with this job.

I mean really? You don't know this guy lol. You really have no clue at all about how he lives his life, or his work schedule, or what "cares" his supervisors are taking, or anything else. What are you gonna worry about next, his fiber intake?

He's not a charity worker. He's a dude getting paid, probably very well, for a moderately difficult job.

If you wanna put care packages together, how about putting one together for the soldier who's sweating his balls off and getting shot at in some god-forsaken country across the world from his home? Or one for some poor person who lost everything when a tsunami decided to wash away everything they owned? Or how about one of the millions of kids who's about to starve to death or die from AIDS in some bankrupt country?

I dunno, the OP just reeks of silliness to me. Seriously, there are a lot better people to be worried about than "Yoshi-P."

I agree wholeheartedly. There's no point arguing here as the majority is against you. Just look at my sig. Best idea is to {Run away!}

[Jennestia]

To be honest, it's a little ridiculous to be all concerned and fawning over the "health" of a game dev, who by the way, is probably making 6 figures and in all likelihood has secured his future with this job.

I mean really? You don't know this guy lol. You really have no clue at all about how he lives his life, or his work schedule, or what "cares" his supervisors are taking, or anything else. What are you gonna worry about next, his fiber intake?"

By the way: He actually told us about his work schedule, and is it truly that wrong to worry about a human being as a human being?

He's not a charity worker. He's a dude getting paid, probably very well, for a moderately difficult job.

He can die just like any other human, that's basically saying "Oh he gets a lot of money, we shouldn't care about him."

heres a time line (game gets developed) (game launches)

ffxiv time line (game gets semi developed) (game launches) (more development) ..the cost is where? in the development, having to start over or not, is no different then them scraping a project and doing another one at worse no?

It really depends on the project in general because for example, they already dumped a lot of money into XIV's development, then fast forward through the year after launch with making almost no money and only costing money -- They say they need funds because this isn't the only game they're working on and eventually, they'll have to start siphoning money from other projects into XIV, when it already makes next to zero. You also have to take note of the investors, but in the case of XIV, it's self-funded from what I remember, which is the big reason they need to institute fees.

MMOs are a different breed when it comes to development, it's a constant stream of costs (and profit), but XIV was a constant stream of costs and no profit for a full year (box sales really won't even return 1/4 of what it cost to make), and with MMOs, sub fees are generally the reason content and the like can be created as well as speed of such (unless the developer is generally slow), same with F2P model -- Cash shops generate the necessary funds for the project.

It costs more to start up a new project as time goes on because you also have to develop on higher end tools, XIV started off development back in 2006/2007. as new tools get released costs increase, so in XIV's case, it would be cheaper to just overhaul it than to completely scrap what exists and start anew -- They said while they're scrapping systems, the game will essentially be the same.

[Travesty]

By the way: He actually told us about his work schedule, and is it truly that wrong to worry about a human being as a human being?

He can die just like any other human, that's basically saying "Oh he gets a lot of money, we shouldn't care about him."

No, it's not wrong to worry about people. But it's silly to worry about people that don't need worrying about and can completely and totally take care of themselves. If you honestly think that he's gonna DIE from being overworked, you must not think much of his ability to take care of himself. If it were me being talked about the way the OP is talking about him, I'd feel insulted. He's a grown-ass man. He can take care of himself. Fawning over his health on a message board is ridiculous and embarrassing.

[weeble]

i understand that but what your talking about is after launch, they don't make money till that time so really it's all lose making the game, that is the part that is no different.

what is really being said is any mmo can just launch when not ready, then charge us for development. when really the game would of spent all that money, then launched ..then made it's money back. this year and next year you might as well say it is pre launch cause it shouldn't of launched right? so this hole cost in reality is the normal cost of making a mmo. yes they changed stuff and w/e but if this was all done prior to launch it's the same cost. if not had launched early they would of been forced to either scrap the hole project or just keep funding it. right only real cost to them that is "Different" is server costs. that is all.

[Ventus]

I'm sure he's doing fine and doesn't need you crying over him.

Think about yourself and everything will be ok.

this just has "Welcome to the FF14 Forums" written all over it

[Rjain]

No, it's not wrong to worry about people. But it's silly to worry about people that don't need worrying about and can completely and totally take care of themselves. If you honestly think that he's gonna DIE from being overworked, you must not think much of his ability to take care of himself.

To clarify something I wasn't just talking about Yoshi-P himself, I was speaking regarding the entire team.

I was going to avoid replying to my own thread towards the opposition because most of it is seriously the most ignorant pile of crap I've heard in a while, but okay.

Karoshi (the term for what is happening) is a serious problem there. You make it seem trivial, and it might seem somewhat trivial to more western cultures. Hell, I am a multimedia director. I can be up for several days straight from work, but that's generally only when it comes to crunch time. In this case, it's every single week of the year.

A Japanese graphic designer, 23 years old, more than happy with her job, died suddenly from a brain aneurysm. Reason, stress from overworking.

In 2008, a company was sued ¥200,000,000 for overworking an employee into a coma.

People are not invincible. It does not matter how much he's being paid or what his job is, he's still a person and so is everyone else on the team. I am not a babysitter by posting this. This is a problem a lot of people underestimate or do not even know exists. Yet still, a great deal of you forum posters just wanna sit around in the comfort of your own home, complaining about a game you're not even paying monthly for while you gobble down your food, and not even remotely grasp the concept that it's not robots that are making this stuff.

Also, for the record, I personally know someone who has died from this. It was an artist, a 28 year old mother. It exists.

[Heat]

some people rally have lots of spare time.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

Another side of the English-speaking FFXIV forum community. Alas.