Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

[bounddreamer]

Carry? You are wrong again a healer that dpses is carrying the dps not the other way round and this is factual, not illusionary, and wanting to enjoy healing is a valid reason not to want to dps. It is also debateable that healing is an easy job, because some players cant or dont like healing.

I disagree with this, too. I usually queue with FC mates for Expert. We are all max geared or very close to it. When I heal with them, the dps of both tank and dps are very high. We burn through everything. They take very little damage so healing requirements are minimal. My dps (which has about 90% uptime) is an added bonus. I'm not carrying anyone. It means I don't stand idle while my party members are busy dismantling mobs.

Again, no one's asking healers NOT to heal if that's the primary need. The expectation is for healers not to stand idle (or literally jump around in circles, as I've seen many times) when healing is not needed.

[bounddreamer]

but its not optional any more its being forced on healers to do and gone too far that way.

If I remember correctly, didn't you attempt Alex Savage with a group, and refused as a SCH to dps, and switched from SCH main to another healing job?

You're not going to change the endgame meta of this raiding tier because you don't like it. Healers add dps in savage for faster clears and phase pushing which means less party damage. Our SCH is in dps mode for most of the time in A9-A11S except for key spot healing/shielding/deployed critlos.

It seems to me like you're taking your bad endgame experience and airing it on the forum and trying to apply it at all levels.

No one's going to kick a CNJ in Sastasha for not stance dancing.

[Feyona]

If I remember correctly, didn't you attempt Alex Savage with a group, and refused as a SCH to dps, and switched from SCH main to another healing job?



It seems to me like you're taking your bad endgame experience and airing it on the forum and trying to apply it at all levels.

Refused? No that wasnt the case I tried, but couldnt get the space in a10s while learning the fight. Up to the week before that fight it was ok for me to heal, which I had always done in the group. My healing is fine. Strangely before then I didnt even know it wasnt ok for a scholar to heal. After being kicked a hard core group wanted to train me pro scholar but group split up cos of drama on a10s. Found trying to do both roles very hard on a10s.Cos was learng fight as well, nearly gave game up. But someone offered place instatic on wmg. Even if you want to think bad of me cos its suits your argument fine I can live with that. Oh and sorry, but thats why I can say from experience that it isnt always so easy. Oh and there goes the likes every time someone has a pokeat me

[Taika]

The premises of your argument in the OP don't have any logical connection. Why would Stormblood adding only DD jobs lead to changes in the ways healers are played?

The second issue in your logic is that you're suggesting one role in the game would have several valid "play styles" while none of the others do. The jobs in this game aren't defined by the colour of their queue icon but instead by their abilities. And since refusing to use your useful abilities isn't accepted for any other job, it shouldn't be accepted for healers, either. If you don't like the toolkit and playstyle of a job, you can always pick another! But don't insist on playing a half a job and make the "play style" excuse, since it's simply not something that exists in this game.

You wouldn't accept an "ice mage" who refuses to use any fire or thunder spells. You wouldn't accept a "support BRD" who only sings and doesn't do any DPS (or a BRD who only does DPS and refuses to sing). A healer who refuses to do anything but heal isn't any better.

[Feyona]

The premises of your argument in the OP don't have any logical connection. Why would Stormblood adding only DD jobs lead to changes in the ways healers are played?

The jobs in this game aren't defined by the colour of their queue icon but instead by their abilities. And since refusing to use your useful abilities isn't accepted for any other job, it shouldn't be accepted for healers, either. If you don't like the toolkit and playstyle of a job, you can always pick another! But don't insist on playing a half a job and make the "play style" excuse, since it's simply not something that exists in this game.

Have to disagree with your logic too, because a healer' role is to heal it isnt their secondary job. Hmm you may not see the logic that others can chose one one role or the other becase you see healer as two roles in one and I dont

[Wanzer]

becase you see healer as two roles in one and I dont

It's not about having two roles actually, it's just how healers are in FFXIV. It's something explained in the conjurer quests also... But i guess you missed that part.

Edit : It's even something explained in the hall of the novice actually.

[Taika]

Have to disagree with your logic too, because a healer' role is to heal it isnt their secondary job. Hmm you may not see the logic that others can chose one one role or the other becase you see healer as two roles in one and I dont

It's not "my logic", it's how the game is designed and played. You're trying to create artificial "role" limitations to healer jobs that simply do not exist in the game. As said, the jobs are defined by their abilities. Bards and Machinists, for example, aren't "two roles in one" (DPS and support) and you can't just pick one you prefer, but they're expected to be both. It's the same for healers and all other jobs (tanks are expected to DPS, DDs are expected to use their buffs and self-healing abilities etc.).

[Feyona]

It's not "my logic", it's how the game is designed and played. You're trying to create artificial "role" limitations to healer jobs that simply do not exist in the game. As said, the jobs are defined by their abilities.

There are posts here that disagree with that statement, and plus I havent seen anywhere from SE that Healing role is dps/healer otherwise it would be called that. I have seen quotes that state that they didnt want healers to be forced to dps though. When you que for an instance its healer, dps, or tank. Healer is not a dps, in my view it is a healer, In terms of roles and not talking about efficiency here , but with your logic, because summoner has a healing spell and because healing isnt nessesary in some instance,we could not even bother with a healer at all and make the summoner heal.That way you can maxise dps more you job is redundant then isnt it?

[Wanzer]

There are posts here that disagree with that statement, and plus I havent seen anywhere from SE that Healing role is dps/healer otherwise it would be called that. I have seen quotes that state that they didnt want healers to be forced to dps though. When you que for an instance its healer, dps, or tank. Healer is not a dps, in my view it is a healer, In terms of roles and not talking about efficiency here , but with your logic, because summoner has a healing spell and because healing isnt nessesary in some instance,we could not even bother with a healer at all and make the summoner heal.That way you can maxise dps more you job is redundant then isnt it?

It's not because a bunch of people think the earth is flat that it's a fact and true. As we said, the dev team explained how healers work in quests and in the hall of novice. But as it seems you are ten to think it's not how it should work, well... Maybe you are right.

[bounddreamer]

Have to disagree with your logic too, because a healer' role is to heal it isnt their secondary job. Hmm you may not see the logic that others can chose one one role or the other becase you see healer as two roles in one and I dont

It's not two roles in one. It's using ALL the tools in your toolkit, not being selective and only focusing on healing.

Conjurer gets cleric stance before they enter any dungeons with cooperative play. The game requires the cross class of CNJ in order for a SCH to get their job crystal. All healing jobs come with offensive skills. I'm not going to write out a list but if you join a group and you're only using cure I, cure II, regen, and sometimes an asylum or medica II, you're not "just being a healer," you're not properly using the entire range of skills.

As others have said on the train of beating this dead horse into the ground, if you weren't intended to use all these offensive skills in combat, in a party setting, that ability would have been disabled or removed.

If Stormblood is going to make healing more challenging, GREAT. The meta will shift. That's not where the state of healing is, right now, today.