Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

[Feyona]

generally
i just expect ppl to do their job in Duty Finder, I dont mind getting wipe 1 or 2, I mean D




PF, I usually

also how the team composition affect my decision too, e.g. doing a 24/8 ppl run, if i m AST and the 2nd healer is SCH, I will be focusing on heal and let SCH do more on Dmg, as I have better group heal and I have to conserve Mana for roomwide AOE like Hellwind in Wiping City of Mhach.

For sure and I agree, and I am pretty much the same view. I always do whatever I can. and would have liked healing dps to remain optioanal according to what healer thinks is best, but its not optional any more its being forced on healers to do and gone too far that way. You say you would want to be replaced if you cant dps? Something wrong there but Ill let people work it out.

[bounddreamer]

but its not optional any more its being forced on healers to do and gone too far that way.

If I remember correctly, didn't you attempt Alex Savage with a group, and refused as a SCH to dps, and switched from SCH main to another healing job?

You're not going to change the endgame meta of this raiding tier because you don't like it. Healers add dps in savage for faster clears and phase pushing which means less party damage. Our SCH is in dps mode for most of the time in A9-A11S except for key spot healing/shielding/deployed critlos.

It seems to me like you're taking your bad endgame experience and airing it on the forum and trying to apply it at all levels.

No one's going to kick a CNJ in Sastasha for not stance dancing.

[Feyona]

If I remember correctly, didn't you attempt Alex Savage with a group, and refused as a SCH to dps, and switched from SCH main to another healing job?



It seems to me like you're taking your bad endgame experience and airing it on the forum and trying to apply it at all levels.

Refused? No that wasnt the case I tried, but couldnt get the space in a10s while learning the fight. Up to the week before that fight it was ok for me to heal, which I had always done in the group. My healing is fine. Strangely before then I didnt even know it wasnt ok for a scholar to heal. After being kicked a hard core group wanted to train me pro scholar but group split up cos of drama on a10s. Found trying to do both roles very hard on a10s.Cos was learng fight as well, nearly gave game up. But someone offered place instatic on wmg. Even if you want to think bad of me cos its suits your argument fine I can live with that. Oh and sorry, but thats why I can say from experience that it isnt always so easy. Oh and there goes the likes every time someone has a pokeat me

[HoodRat]

If I remember correctly, didn't you attempt Alex Savage with a group, and refused as a SCH to dps, and switched from SCH main to another healing job?

Iirc, she was kicked for having extremely low dps for a sch. I don't remember which thread, but she came in one of those older "omg healers have to dps???" threads complaining about it. People looked at her parses on fflogs and I think the problem is that she doesn't really learn when damage comes, she just waits for people to take damage then heals them more than she needs to. On the few occasions where she did contribute to dps, she rarely used cleric stance, if at all.

[Feyona]

Iirc, she was kicked for having extremely low dps for a sch. I don't remember which thread, but she came in one of those older "omg healers have to dps???" threads complaining about it. People looked at her parses on fflogs and I think the problem is that she doesn't really learn when damage comes, she just waits for people to take damage then heals them more than she needs to. On the few occasions where she did contribute to dps, she rarely used cleric stance, if at all.

700 dps, on the last parse posted to be exact after I was trained. No one asked me to dps before then, it was my first static and mostly my first regular experience of proper raiding before then. Never stood around my healing was about 30% overheal I think but my ACTIVE time was around 95% the other healeranted to dps. Whole group was learning at the time Just want to add here that I thought you were tolerent of people learning. Did you know this static was just meant to be a casual fun group? I was only told a week before I was kicked that they wanted me to dps. And truly was not aware that real raiders only tolerate dps sch

[Bourne_Endeavor]

700 dps, on the last parse posted to be exact after I was trained. No one asked me to dps before then, it was my first static and mostly my first regular experience of proper raiding before then. Never stood around my healing was about 30% overheal I think but my ACTIVE time was around 95% the other healeranted to dps. Whole group was learning at the time Just want to add here that I thought you were tolerent of people learning. Did you know this static was just meant to be a casual fun group? I was only told a week before I was kicked that they wanted me to dps. And truly was not aware that real raiders only tolerate dps sch

This is a flat out lie. I checked your parses just now and neither Scholar nor White Mage boasts above 200. On your server, 700 would place you at 57th percentile against Refurbisher and 52nd on Lamebricks. If you were pulling that high, you wouldn't be nearly as vehemently against DPSing as a healer.

[Misutoraru]

For sure and I agree, and I am pretty much the same view. I always do whatever I can. and would have liked healing dps to remain optioanal according to what healer thinks is best, but its not optional any more its being forced on healers to do and gone too far that way. You say you would want to be replaced if you cant dps? Something wrong there but Ill let people work it out.

I am more a "never compromise" I will always vote no to Kick a healer if the sole reason is the healer not doing dmg
and when i play my healer, i will only do dmg when i see comfortable
until the day dev force us to do so
i dont mind ppl in DF asking healer to do dmg nicely
but if they want to kick a healer for not doing dmg, i will be the NO between them, and if i m the healer, they are more than welcome to find a replacement
but of coz, those high end raid would be another story

[HoodRat]

I am more a "never compromise" I will always vote no to Kick a healer if the sole reason is the healer not doing dmg

You clearly haven't seen the healers I have. My favorite one so far was in an expert roulette, I had a sch who did absolutely nothing at all except spam adlo and stoneskin on me the moment my health went lower than 100%. And, idk what it is about ARF, but every single time I get that dungeon without queuing with a healer, the healer I get will start spamming heals on me regardless of whether I have 90% or 100% hp. Sometimes they realize they don't need to heal me and just stand there doing nothing, other times they continue healing me when I don't need it. Idk why but some people here seem to think that's acceptable play.

[Taika]

and when i play my healer, i will only do dmg when i see comfortable
until the day dev force us to do so

"And when I play my Machinist, I will not use my MP turret until a direct quote from the developers saying I'm forced to do so." You do realise how ridiculous that argument is? Basically, you're saying you're refusing to be useful to your group unless you're forced to do so. What a great team player attitude!

[Feyona]

"And when I play my Machinist, I will not use my MP turret until a direct quote from the developers saying I'm forced to do so." You do realise how ridiculous that argument is? Basically, you're saying you're refusing to be useful to your group unless you're forced to do so. What a great team player attitude!

I could be wrong but It does seem to me that misutoraru is not english and therefore, her wording may not come across precisely. but from what Ive seen of her posts she has had one of the nicest attitudes here and has tried to see both sides. To add to this she originally posted that she thought the attitude here was toxic towards people, and that theres no need to be , and she isnt