New Housing Zone + Moving existing house

[Altena]

In addition to this, on servers where housing is snapped up immediately there's a flurry to login and often times people will have to attempt multiple logins. Most likely you're not going to wait on your friend to login to hit up your desired area. They have a heads up, but they have to manage to successfully sign in and stay connected long enough to grab the old plot if they even want it.

Exactly this.. If securing a house in the new zone via the move means that my friend doesn't get claim, I am still going to move.

The move feature flat out HELPS those that don't currently have a house to avoid this pre-patch game of swapsies.

[Oscura]

God forbid that moving from one house to another requires you to either sell things or make proper sacrifices just like in real life.

I've yet to see any plausible argument as to why people who own houses should be able to move. Anyone who seriously argues for it probably already owns a house and is having buyer's remorse because they can't since they're not a FC house owner. Most people who own houses got to choose where they wanted to "live", denying that from people just so you can move to a new shiny venue is not "fairness." Telling other people to settle with the old areas or that house space will be free in the old areas will not solve the problem that some people are just genuinely interested in the new area. For every person who owns an older house there is a guarantee that person won't take away the opportunity from a new homeowner from getting one in the new area. I am perfectly fine with this. People who already have houses or those who already own multiple houses should not be constantly catered to.

[Altena]

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If you want to pull the real life card.
When you buy a house, it's yours to sell.
When you wish to move, you sell your old house and buy a new one.
When both houses are valued at the same amount - then you don't spend or lose any money.

But hey - THIS IS NOT REAL LIFE. And there is a certain degree of fairness that should be given.

Why should players who don't have a house take priority over the new zone? Because home owners have a house already? Yeah no. I don't buy it. That logic is extremely flawed.
It would almost be like not having a fantasia in this game, and when Au Ra came out - "oh sorry guys. You have to start again if you want to be an Au Ra. Au Ra is only for new characters".

If I didn't have a house, I would argue the same points. Because I think it is absolutely rediculous to lock current home owners out of the new zone, because they decided to put in the work early without any knowledge of future housing zones or their theme.

We aren't "telling people to settle for the old areas" lol.. You need to read.
Many people ACTUALLY WANT THE OLD AREAS. There is one person who even voiced that in the early pages of this thread.
No one is "forcing new buyers to settle with the old zones". New buyers can buy a house in the new zone.
We are saying that those who actually want a house in the old zones (which many will/do) rather than the new - will have that option.

Sounds to me you are of the impression that private estate owners are all evil and screw people over in the community.
Why should those who have 1 house, be penalized for the actions of those that abuse the system?

[Oscura]

Sounds to me you are of the impression that private estate owners are all evil and screw people over in the community.
Why should those who have 1 house, be penalized for the actions of those that abuse the system?

Factually incorrect. I share a house with someone in the Lavender Beds. I am just saying that SE is wholly incompetent in managing the housing system properly, and let it be abused often. Instead of catering to people who could (possibly) abuse the housing system in order to flip houses, I just simply think that only allowing new owners into the new area is ideal. I don't even support FCs being able to move.

You cannot assume that simply because you would be fine with your perfect world and idea of "fairness" toward moving and housing that suddenly everyone will believe in it or agree with you. Nor did I say you had to agree with my opinion, I was simply stating it, as the forum allows me. Not everyone will agree with the ideas being nearly forced down the throat of everyone who posts in any sort of opposition. Posting something and saying "I think this would be better for everyone," does not mean it will be better for everyone. Ultimately it's about someone's benefit, but to assume that everyone would benefit is naive.

[Stormrider]

Sounds to me you are of the impression that private estate owners are all evil and screw people over in the community.
Why should those who have 1 house, be penalized for the actions of those that abuse the system?

Because SE can't manage the housing system. Until definitive proof that transfer gives no advantage to players and friends people should be against it. But maye SE has their shit together and it will be fair for all

[Altena]

Because SE can't manage the housing system. Until definitive proof that transfer gives no advantage to players and friends people should be against it. But maye SE has their shit together and it will be fair for all

The same can be said in reverse.
Until it proves that it puts new buyers at a disadvantage - people should be FOR it.

[Shougun]

Because SE can't manage the housing system. Until definitive proof that transfer gives no advantage to players and friends people should be against it. But maye SE has their shit together and it will be fair for all

Unless SE removes all chat features from the game while simultaneously coming to everyone's house at gun point to make sure they don't talk to friends outside of game until they decide to buy, sell, or do nothing for the housing system there will always be bias towards friends in the housing system. Which SE will never do either of lol, thankfully - yay SE haha. Like.. friend bias is not going anywhere mate.

If the system is as I expect, that you can move your house but lose the old plot and pay for the new plot, then the system will for a short while actually improve the odds of non-friend players getting a house (as Altena pointed out). Because the servers will be so unstable when this stuff goes down, you have a higher chance that the friends can't properly coordinate with each other. By refusing the transfer system at the time of the release of the housing you're going to ensure any lot change that could have been coordinated will be coordinated, people who are frustrated they can't easily switch houses will buy one with an alt or shell FC and coordinate later (as they easily can, unless SE does something), AND more people be upset than already WILL be.

SE's system is bad enough there WILL be upset people at time of release, it's going to be unavoidable - at least on the big servers probably non-issue for the smaller ones.

Besides just going instanced (Wildstar like, not ward instanced) as has been begged for since beginning of the housing system (in all sorts of variations, some just like phasing in WoW - like your personal farm and stuff), the best we can hope for is that SE implements an account and FC limits to housing before release of the new area and that the transfer system isn't useless.

If they announce the system is useless before release of housing then people will be prepared, if they announce it moment of.. more rage than if people just had to deal with the tried and true "we didn't make enough slots for you" that SE has already been running lol. IF the system is useless AND they don't do anything about multiple house ownership then I assure you that the FC and players that don't know what to do but have the funds (that's many) will just buy up the houses on alts, and people who want to make money off resell (that's many) will also buy as many as possible, and this won't even be able to bar people who own multiple accounts (not as many, but things like dual boxing / macro questions to GMs are a thing because we know people do it).

Also the transfer system is important because many people would like to move from a small to a large, not even say go to the new area - many FC that would've made memories in one house would have to throw it all away just to get a new one. Which is quite silly when even if we talk about real life all I have to do is pack up and move. The transfer system is more realistic, it's the Uhaul of Eorzea that we've been missing :P.

[Oscura]

Also the transfer system is important because many people would like to move from a small to a large, not even say go to the new area - many FC that would've made memories in one house would have to throw it all away just to get a new one. Which is quite silly when even if we talk about real life all I have to do is pack up and move. The transfer system is more realistic, it's the Uhaul of Eorzea that we've been missing :P.

Did SE ever say that moving/transferring was interchangeable and not just from the mist/beds/goblet to the new area? Not attempting to refute anything, genuinely curious. Also, I presumed that moving would mean it would have to be the same plot size, because of decoration. I assumed it was moving "the whole house," so that people wouldn't lose destructible decor (assuming it still exists) and everything stays the same. It wouldn't be possible to keep the decorations together properly if you upgraded plot/house size.

Also you guys really took the real life statement and ran with it, I was being incredibly general about it.

[Shougun]

Did SE ever say that moving/transferring was interchangeable and not just from the mist/beds/goblet to the new area? Not attempting to refute anything, genuinely curious. Also, I presumed that moving would mean it would have to be the same plot size, because of decoration. I assumed it was moving "the whole house," so that people wouldn't lose destructible decor (assuming it still exists) and everything stays the same. It wouldn't be possible to keep the decorations together properly if you upgraded plot/house size.

Also you guys really took the real life statement and ran with it, I was being incredibly general about it.

In real life I manage people so in the game I should have at least twelve moogl-- oh.. okay I'll stop :3.. lol

Those are good questions and I'll give you what I know:

1. They announced the transfer system AT the time of announcing the new housing area explicitly talking about allowing FC to move to the new housing area, while it is an assumption I feel it is an -incredibly- safe assumption that this sytem will be cross area. If this is a misunderstanding I don't think its any fault to the players but SE's awful timing then lol. In fact if I rewatch it, they might use the wording so that it is not an assumption. I just need to get to the stream again :P.

2. To be honest I was thinking you'd get all the items in a big fat box if something was off like lot size (like when Legacy came back and your Calamity Salvage became a bank, I still have items inside of him lol) but, it's a good point about the size to size limitation - I "personally" think it would be best if they allow you to change size and this is what I'm hoping for (this doesn't even affect me, I just have seen a lot of players and FC suffer due to this limitation). So to help people grow or shrink as need be size change is nice, this just makes the system better (imo). However, there is no word, that I know of, on if you can change sizes. Since we don't have it locked down it could be that you lose the house and plot but keep all items and progress, and if you transfer you have to buy a house and plot (just don't lose anything else).

[Suki-]

An official response on this would be nice, so people who do wish to move to the new area can plan accordingly