Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

[craized]

Career tank who has all lvl 60 healers and does endgame content on both roles says NOPE.

in fact, I generally run healer in roulette content to destress from tanking. And my EX roulette have about 75-90% dps uptime unless the tank is bad.

I've played all three roles in many games, over many years and to the exclusion of endgame raiding where tank can be more stressful, I find healing (especially in group content where you are the sole healer, and funnily enough especially in this game with all it's hectic movement mechanics) to be more stressful, and most definately more stressful than dps. But that's a matter of opinion. At the end of the day if someone is performing thier role, just let them be.

[Feyona]

I am not you quoted the right person as your post doesn't pertain to anything I'm talking about.

All I can do is encourage you to try and DPS when it is safe to do so. I can understand if it makes you uncomfortable, but if you're running as SCH your downtime and safety is far greater than the other healers. The fairy is capable of handling anywhere from 70-99% of the healing depending on group and instance, and it takes very little time to apply/reapply shields. If you can get shadow flare and bane up, the trash dies significantly faster, which means your tanks gets out of danger faster. This is part of your duty as SCH (heals with kills)

Just read back but im sorry if there was any misunderstanding. Posts are limited, but Its not true that Ive only paid attention to those I like. Im understanding everyones point of view I may not agree but Im stll listening. Thank you for your effort. This is to others please dont slap people here for posting their experienes. Craized I get t situations like that all the time and wonder sometimes if Im playing the same game as some of the healers here that get all this space to dps. Thinks its to defend their position, excluding those that can fit SF, bioll, bio, etc in a 15 sec window ofc

[craized]

Mistakes happen. Pick yourself up like a big kid, learn from the experience, move on and become better.

Try reading the full post, it might help you avoid silly comments in future.

[HoodRat]

This attitude only makes it worse.

This attitude will never disappear as long as people try to argue that choosing to overheal or remain idle instead of dps is proper play.

[Gemina]

Yep, to not be a lazy healer. Shame you either encourage it, or are one of those I'm talking about. No wonder we have brain dead content for dungeons.

That's not why it's "brain dead". Ever run brain dead content at the minimal item level, like the devs do before releasing them? Being ridiculously over geared for an instance as many players are makes brain dead content far more forgivable. Skill is not required when mechanics can be ignored.

[IttyBitty]

Try reading the full post, it might help you avoid silly comments in future.

Not a thing in that post affects what I said you ham sandwich. It is general advice to others who may find such scenarios "stressful". I've experienced them all. I've lived. I've grown. I've gotten better from it. I'd prefer people to aspire to greatness than to encourage them to wallow in mediocrity. But to each their own, I suppose.

[Llus]

Cleric stance on.
Deeps.
Tank at 50% - dropped a bit quick there
Cleric stance off
Heals
Heals
Heals
Oh shit tank at 10% wtf? Wtf?
(Turns out mispressed cleric stance off so it didn\\\\\\'t toggle off)
Tank dead
Starting to flap
Dps dead
Healer dead, group wiped
Group giving me grief.

Never had a situation like that? It\\\\\\'s happened to me a few times. Personally I just write it off as shit happens because I\\\\\\'ve been playing MMOs since they were a thing but I can imagine there are lots of people out there who would let this stress them right out. Let people play how they want to and if they aren't comfortable dpsing then so what? Your run takes 5 more mins. It could be worse, you could get a healer who does nothing but dps and people die lots.

I don't care if the run takes 5 or 10 more minutes. When a healer stands around doing nothing for 80% of the run because all they do is heal is insulting and unfair to the other players. If a DPS is min-ilevel and the run takes longer because of that? Fine by me, they need to gear up. If a DPS is well geared and doesn't try to get max damage or even worse the ice mage? Kick. min-ilevel tank losing aggro all the time to geared DPS? Not a problem. well geared tank losing aggro all the time and not mitigating damage? kick.

This thread and others like it need to stop. If you're not comfortable playing your class even close to it's potential, then pick another class to play. Check youtube and watch any of the videos on BLMs or SMNs keeping the party alive after a healer hits the floor. Watch tanks and DPS run down boss fights while the healer stands around outside petting their fairy.

Heal-only healers and Tank-only tanks are part of the reason why healers and tanks get shit on and it's unfair to healers and tanks that try to maximize their efficiency and make the run smooth and fast. I'm not asking you to be savage raid-tier good, but make an effort.

[craized]

This attitude will never disappear as long as people try to argue that choosing to overheal or remain idle instead of dps is proper play.

completely missing the point like pretty much everyone advocating HAELER MUST DEEPS OR DUMMY IS COMING OUT!.

the point is: its down to the player how they choose to play and nothing you can say or do will change that. if your healer doesn't want to dps. then you are shit out of luck because thankfully most people in actual dungeons are too busy trying to perform their own role rather than worrying about what others are doing and if they aren't dying needlessly most are happy enough.

[Dsync]

What I encourage is letting people play how they feel comfortable instead of being obnoxious for the sake of a few minutes shaved off a run.

Here's the thing, in a dungeon I will just leave rather than start a kick. I'm not going to create a drama by mouthing off in front of the group and make everyone feel bad. However, if that kick option comes up? I know that it's more than just me, and I will click it.

On these forums? I'm far more outspoken, as I wish people who are reading be aware that there is the meta that a lot of people see healing as both healing and damage. Some people will rip you apart in game for the smallest thing. It's better if you teach people early, rather than let them learn bad habits, then wonder why people are going off on them. We have those who are so adamant that they are there to "heal only" that that is something that I personally find obnoxious. Give people one less reason to attack you.

We all come here to this forum through choice, to maybe look up to see how the community feels a class should be played well. The people who at least try their best don't go unnoticed. If what I say here puts people off then there's a good chance people may think twice and realise that to avoid getting slammed when healing, then they should use more than just 3 or 4 buttons, or see that healing might not be what they're best suited to. The people who actively want to make me spend more time with them because they can't be bothered? Yeah, I'll discourage that the best I can.

[craized]

I don't care if the run takes 5 or 10 more minutes. When a healer stands around doing nothing for 80% of the run because all they do is heal is insulting and unfair to the other players

yeah, this isn't actually a thing though. sure there may be some downtime, but unless the content you are doing is completely trivial, there is always scope for a healer to be doing something that is not dps.