Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

[craized]

Cleric stance on.
Deeps.
Tank at 50% - dropped a bit quick there
Cleric stance off
Heals
Heals
Heals
Oh shit tank at 10% wtf? Wtf?
(Turns out mispressed cleric stance off so it didnt toggle off)
Tank dead
Starting to flap
Dps dead
Healer dead, group wiped
Group giving me grief.

Never had a situation like that? It's happened to me a few times. Personally I just write it off as shit happens because I've been playing MMOs since they were a thing but I can imagine there are lots of people out there who would let this stress them right out. Let people play how they want to and if they aren't comfortable dpsing then so what? Your run takes 5 more mins. It could be worse, you could get a healer who does nothing but dps and people die lots.

[IttyBitty]

Never had a situation like that?

Mistakes happen. Pick yourself up like a big kid, learn from the experience, move on and become better.

[Llus]

Cleric stance on.
Deeps.
Tank at 50% - dropped a bit quick there
Cleric stance off
Heals
Heals
Heals
Oh shit tank at 10% wtf? Wtf?
(Turns out mispressed cleric stance off so it didn\\\\\\'t toggle off)
Tank dead
Starting to flap
Dps dead
Healer dead, group wiped
Group giving me grief.

Never had a situation like that? It\\\\\\'s happened to me a few times. Personally I just write it off as shit happens because I\\\\\\'ve been playing MMOs since they were a thing but I can imagine there are lots of people out there who would let this stress them right out. Let people play how they want to and if they aren't comfortable dpsing then so what? Your run takes 5 more mins. It could be worse, you could get a healer who does nothing but dps and people die lots.

I don't care if the run takes 5 or 10 more minutes. When a healer stands around doing nothing for 80% of the run because all they do is heal is insulting and unfair to the other players. If a DPS is min-ilevel and the run takes longer because of that? Fine by me, they need to gear up. If a DPS is well geared and doesn't try to get max damage or even worse the ice mage? Kick. min-ilevel tank losing aggro all the time to geared DPS? Not a problem. well geared tank losing aggro all the time and not mitigating damage? kick.

This thread and others like it need to stop. If you're not comfortable playing your class even close to it's potential, then pick another class to play. Check youtube and watch any of the videos on BLMs or SMNs keeping the party alive after a healer hits the floor. Watch tanks and DPS run down boss fights while the healer stands around outside petting their fairy.

Heal-only healers and Tank-only tanks are part of the reason why healers and tanks get shit on and it's unfair to healers and tanks that try to maximize their efficiency and make the run smooth and fast. I'm not asking you to be savage raid-tier good, but make an effort.

[craized]

I don't care if the run takes 5 or 10 more minutes. When a healer stands around doing nothing for 80% of the run because all they do is heal is insulting and unfair to the other players

yeah, this isn't actually a thing though. sure there may be some downtime, but unless the content you are doing is completely trivial, there is always scope for a healer to be doing something that is not dps.

[bounddreamer]

yeah, this isn't actually a thing though. sure there may be some downtime, but unless the content you are doing is completely trivial, there is always scope for a healer to be doing something that is not dps.

It is, though. If I can spend 70% of an expert dungeon in cleric stance, then if I'm not dpsing and I never touch cleric stance, that's the majority of the run where all I'm doing is topping off the tank or party.

Unless by "something" you mean overhealing and topping the tank off from every slightest bit of trivial damage.

There are boss fights in most of the 60 dungeons where the tank and/or party can do perfectly well on HoTs alone. But why do damage to help the fight along when you can just tab out and let everyone else carry you?

[Wanzer]

there is always scope for a healer to be doing something that is not dps.

Any example? Or you just threw this randomly?
I'm whm as main, and if i was only healing i could easily watch netflix in the same time honestly. Unless you are speaking about overhealing, but... Nah.

[Llus]

yeah, this isn't actually a thing though. sure there may be some downtime, but unless the content you are doing is completely trivial, there is always scope for a healer to be doing something that is not dps.

Healer does nothing for 80% of the fight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBgMe5uHPsE&t=1040s

SCH doesn't use any DPS on this fight and dies to mechanics at around 60%, war and 2 ninjas finish the fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp9mzOxbSJ0

So exactly what does a healer need to be doing when there's no need to heal? Watching netflix? Poking their fairy?

[SeriousxSarcasm]

Healer does nothing for 80% of the fight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBgMe5uHPsE&t=1040s

SCH doesn't use any DPS on this fight and dies to mechanics at around 60%, war and 2 ninjas finish the fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp9mzOxbSJ0

So exactly what does a healer need to be doing when there's no need to heal? Watching netflix? Poking their fairy?

The second vid is not a good example to bring to this discussion. It's very obviously a new healer. They needed mechanics explained, and there was even a bonus notification after the fight. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, your first vid was spot on, the second is just being petty expecting someone that is probably nervous to be comfortable dpsing. From the title, it was also supposed to be a vid showing off WARs self-healing, not putting down inexperienced healers.

Also as a side note. I have never had a xelphatol run go as smoothly as I saw in that first vid lmao. Congrats to them I guess, but probably 60% of the player base will not be that good at mechanics.

[IttyBitty]

The second vid is not a good example to bring to this discussion. It's very obviously a new healer. They needed mechanics explained, and there was even a bonus notification after the fight. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, your first vid was spot on, the second is just being petty expecting someone that is probably nervous to be comfortable dpsing. From the title, it was also supposed to be a vid showing off WARs self-healing, not putting down inexperienced healers.

Also as a side note. I have never had a xelphatol run go as smoothly as I saw in that first vid lmao. Congrats to them I guess, but probably 60% of the player base will not be that good at mechanics.

The point of the second video is to show that there really isn't a huge healing burden a lot of a time. Nobody's saying anything about how the healer didn't DPS. It's about how 55% is a pretty hefty chunk to be able to burn through without needing a healer. Just like how the first video is demonstrating just how much downtime there is in many of the fights.

[Llus]

The second vid is not a good example to bring to this discussion. It's very obviously a new healer. They needed mechanics explained, and there was even a bonus notification after the fight. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, your first vid was spot on, the second is just being petty expecting someone that is probably nervous to be comfortable dpsing. From the title, it was also supposed to be a vid showing off WARs self-healing, not putting down inexperienced healers.

Also as a side note. I have never had a xelphatol run go as smoothly as I saw in that first vid lmao. Congrats to them I guess, but probably 60% of the player base will not be that good at mechanics.

Second video simply shows that for 60% of the fight there was no healing needed. Obviously the healer was new to the fight and didn't know what the mechanics were, but it still shows the small healing requirements. In the snowcloak video, the healer (if they knew the fight) could have easily DPSed the entire time and let their fairy heal only topping the party off after the AoEs.