Naoki Yoshida's Comment in Regard to Jump Potions/Boost Potions

[SDaemon]

I think a lot of the class quests really hammer home some of the important skills of each class.

Class quests hammer nothing it while leveling, you don't even HAVE to do class/jobs quests to reach level cap...

[szalkerous]

Class quests hammer nothing it while leveling, you don't even HAVE to do class/jobs quests to reach level cap...

You're missing the point. And yes, they do hammer the basics. If you're an experienced or skilled player from day one, then maybe they didn't do much for you. But they're designed to teach a complete noob what that class is used for and it's strengths. Some new players don't know what a tank is, or what a healer HOT vs. a cooldown is, or what MP starvation is.

Yes, you don't need to do class quests currently. But you do have the option to go back and do them if you desire.

this potion will complete all job quests. You are denied the ability to go back and do them.

[dragonseth07]

You're missing the point. And yes, they do hammer the basics. If you're an experienced or skilled player from day one, then maybe they didn't do much for you. But they're designed to teach a complete noob what that class is used for and it's strengths. Some new players don't know what a tank is, or what a healer HOT vs. a cooldown is, or what MP starvation is.

Yes, you don't need to do class quests currently. But you do have the option to go back and do them if you desires.

this potion will complete all job quests. You are denied the ability to go back and do them.

None of the class and job quests I've done taught ANY of those things. Are we playing different games here? The quests all amounted to "kill monster X". The closest we ever had to a quest teaching something was AST 30.

[SDaemon]

You're missing the point. And yes, they do hammer the basics. If you're an experienced or skilled player from day one, then maybe they didn't do much for you. But they're designed to teach a complete noob what that class is used for and it's strengths. Some new players don't know what a tank is, or what a healer HOT vs. a cooldown is, or what MP starvation is.

Yes, you don't need to do class quests currently. But you do have the option to go back and do them if you desires.

this potion will complete all job quests. You are denied the ability to go back and do them.

You are grasping for a point. They don't hammer in any basics. You can barrel through class/job quests with the grace of an elephant spamming buttons. If they actually did what you are suggesting everyone would be knowledgeable and skilled with their jobs. This potion will deny no one the ability to learn their job.

[szalkerous]

You are grasping for a point. They don't hammer in any basics. You can barrel through class/job quests with the grace of an elephant spamming buttons. If they actually did what you are suggesting everyone would be knowledgeable and skilled with their jobs. This potion will deny no one the ability to learn their job.

I would argue that others are ignoring my point. Just because the game is easy for you doesn't mean others don't need the experience.

And I could argue that we stand to gain nothing and risk losing the education by circumventing the opportunity.

Which is simply one facet of the problem. It's all a moot point if those of us who don't want to gamble on PUG players being faceroll pay-to-win players and will simply block out the community at large and create vetted cliques to do content instead. This will only result in the remaining pool of players suffering and either quitting or at best being put at a disadvantage.

[SDaemon]

Just because the game is easy for you doesn't mean others don't need the experience.

This isn't about the easiness of the game for me or anyone else. It is about how leveling does not teach someone how to perform their job.

[szalkerous]

This isn't about the easiness of the game for me or anyone else. It is about how leveling does not teach someone how to perform their job.

So why not fix the problem? Make the class quests better at teaching the class, or better yet add in some sort of training program for capped jobs that pose great challenges for their class mechanics....

But as it stands, new players need something more than simply a magic rainbow into content that was designed for players with significant experience with both class/job mechanics as well as core-game mechanics. It's not a hard game, but understanding the casual types it attracts it's not going to net Square long-term players--because those players would be smart enough to be doing all the content that led up to it. This really is going to attract the instant-gratification types who will neither try to learn their class, nor stick around after they burn through whatever content they are given at that point. If folks can't see this for what it is, then I dunno what to tell you.

This is a cash grab by Square that will in no way add anything more than temporary subscribers and diluted content to a game that the Western player base has already demanded allow nothing for real money purchase outside of glamour gear and optional mounts. Pay to win is not welcomed here like it is in China and Korea.

But I'm still going to voice my opposition to it loud and clear. Do not allow instant leveling or story jump potions, Square!

[Minnel]

Well heres my experience from that...I have ayed in Korea and have tried convincing my friends to play with me in Korea with the lvling potion...Their responses were
1- This game is too easy its boring.
2- Nothing to do in this game
3- I really never got attached to my character
4- Maybe ill stay?
For those you answered with maybe, I had to beg on my knees and tempt them with 1 million gills + dinner treats to stay...
Pitty most of them left too...
So those few that stayed moved over to aether with me.
Just a fyi, 90% of the people that stay disregards the potion...
However I do agree that lvling potions are needed in respect but at least add some features to alleviate confusion that new users are going to get when they are suddenly popped into their nrwfound powers...

[dragonseth07]

This really is going to attract the instant-gratification types who will neither try to learn their class, nor stick around after they burn through whatever content they are given at that point. If folks can't see this for what it is, then I dunno what to tell you.

I'd give it more stock if that's what it attracted in other games. In my experience in WoW, a huge portion of jumpers were hardcore raiders. They didn't care for leveling or story, so they boosted to skip it.

[Ama_Hamada]

None of the class and job quests I've done taught ANY of those things. Are we playing different games here? The quests all amounted to "kill monster X". The closest we ever had to a quest teaching something was AST 30.

One of the thm ones taught sleeping (cc) while killing them. I do not know what one it was one of the early ones, like 10 or 15. It was very hard if you did not do that while being at level. Other then a few quests like that one thm one and the ast you said, the quests hardly teach you anything.

I have a friend who did this just because she could and to prove a point, she got lnc and pug to 60, 235 + gear, without doing a single quest for them. She did not even do the quest that is required to unlock them for 2.0 since she was a 1.0 player and they where unlocked already. But ya job quests and MSQ and all that do not teach hardly anything and I seen a lot of rush levelers that was completely clueless how to play.