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    JunseiKei's Avatar
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    Xoria Tepes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serilda View Post
    I strongly disagree. Throwing the ability to customise our builds in PVP (and to a lesser extent in very specific PVE/glamour situations) aside just to cater to a handful of people playing with the wrong accessories feels like a bad trade. How often does it happen? I've never noticed anyone doing it whereas I've used the 'wrong' accessories for perfectly legitimate, non-ilvl-cheating reasons numerous times. Though most content is so easy that I genuinely wouldn't notice someone being carried (a separate issue...)
    Unfortunately, there's nothing stopping other players from facilitating artificial item level bloating. You either have players check and kick (which creates other issues) or implement something like this to enforce it.

    I'm also not just thinking about queuing into dungeons. I know of so many [actual good] players purposely equip wrong accessories to get around a PF's ilevel restriction to bring in a certain class. (Might main ninja, but there's already a ninja and doesn't want to deal with coordinating trick or other things, had decent gear on a dragoon and can play dragoon, but not up to the ilevel). Most people will not check players (or calculate their ilevel) once they are actually in the party and have reverted back to correct gear. The issue starts when you have not-so-great players using this same trick and it snowballs when wipes start happening because multiple people start doing it. Now you just end up with a bunch of wasted time. Time in PF (or queuing), time it took to get to said trouble spots, multiple wipes (usually- very few are just single time hiccups), removal of players and disbands. Many people that do this do it to scrape by, hopefully unnoticed.

    This all very much falls back into a lack of respect for everyone's time and many people that scrape by simply don't care in the first place.
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    9.23.2019 [11:15 p.m.]Total Play Time: 1552 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes - You'll be hard-pressed to find a more cynical person than me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Odstarva View Post
    You people are never happy.
    [...] You complain and complain and complain.

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    Renard Lefeuvre
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    Quote Originally Posted by JunseiKei View Post
    Unfortunately, there's nothing stopping other players from facilitating artificial item level bloating. You either have players check and kick (which creates other issues) or implement something like this to enforce it.
    It feels like such a shame to punish everyone for the actions of a few when so little of the game actually lets you play around with stats in the first place. At some point why even have gear at all? We could just have one stat which goes up automatically with our level and turn everything else into skill or glamour (which it already is in many ways). Bad players will always find new ways to be jerks to their groups and I'd rather find a solution which doesn't dumb the system down even further. Recalculating minimum entry requirements another way is far more agreeable to me and doesn't screw up PVP or simply having fun.
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    JunseiKei's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serilda View Post
    It feels like such a shame to punish everyone for the actions of a few when so little of the game actually lets you play around with stats in the first place. At some point why even have gear at all? We could just have one stat which goes up automatically with our level and turn everything else into skill or glamour (which it already is in many ways). Bad players will always find new ways to be jerks to their groups and I'd rather find a solution which doesn't dumb the system down even further. Recalculating minimum entry requirements another way is far more agreeable to me and doesn't screw up PVP or simply having fun.
    It's not a feels like a shame. It is a shame. People prove time and again why we can't have nice things.
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    9.23.2019 [11:15 p.m.]Total Play Time: 1552 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes - You'll be hard-pressed to find a more cynical person than me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Odstarva View Post
    You people are never happy.
    [...] You complain and complain and complain.