[DEV Question] Why is this allowed?

[Ama_Hamada]

Will raise you one further, unlock all the job gears and make them wearable by everyone.

Apart from my goggles... You can't have them! >.>

LOL! was like that for 1.0, why not?

[Miste]

Gonna be honest here. This is a total non-issue. There are enough ways to avoid this that the devs shouldn't have to play mommy and daddy. I had this happen to me once during an A10 run and it wasn't a big deal. We got through it with no issues and went on with our lives afterwards.

So...the party you had happen to be able to carry the person who had the improper weapon then...but what if this happened and you didn't get through it with no issues? What if you wiped multiple times or are unable to clear due to the DF not properly screening gear... is it still a non-issue then too?

What would you do then?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

So...the party you had happen to be able to carry the person who had the improper weapon then...but what if this happened and you didn't get through it with no issues? What if you wiped or are unable to clear due to the DF not properly screening gear... is it still a non-issue then too?

What would you do then?

They won't accept your point of view until it happens to them.

[Clethoria]

They won't accept your point of view until it happens to them.

Pretty much. And I'm speaking for myself included. Now, I wouldn't use the term "accept." Moreso leaning towards "relate" all the while being able to understand. I've tanked before, I know what it's like to need to be in good condition to run EX content. I also know the importance of VIT and knowing my buttons. But, I DPS because I realized I cared much more about the world and story over raids.

[Underdog2204]

Pretty much. And I'm speaking for myself included. Now, I wouldn't use the term "accept." Moreso leaning towards "relate" all the while being able to understand. I've tanked before, I know what it's like to need to be in good condition to run EX content. I also know the importance of VIT and knowing my buttons. But, I DPS because I realized I cared much more about the world and story over raids.

You do realise you've been arguing for the opposite of what has been talked about in this thread right? You are one of the people I think the person you responded to was talking about.

[Underdog2204]

So...the party you had happen to be able to carry the person who had the improper weapon then...but what if this happened and you didn't get through it with no issues? What if you wiped multiple times or are unable to clear due to the DF not properly screening gear... is it still a non-issue then too?

What would you do then?

Has happened to me, as I've mentioned before I had a WHM using a 145 weapon in Gubal Hard. Was impossible to keep the tank alive even though he was doing normal pulls (one pack at a time). Had to boot the healer.

So people who say it's a non-issue clearly have never encountered this situation, or they have but it was dps and therefore acceptable.

[Canadane]

Has happened to me, as I've mentioned before I had a WHM using a 145 weapon in Gubal Hard. Was impossible to keep the tank alive even though he was doing normal pulls (one pack at a time). Had to boot the healer.

So people who say it's a non-issue clearly have never encountered this situation, or they have but it was dps and therefore acceptable.

Honestly I could probably reliably keep a tank doing small pulls alive with an even weaker weapon. Surprisingly gear may affect raw numbers but player skill it does not. I mean yeah it probably easy to say "oh his gear was low" but chances are so was his skill level.

[Underdog2204]

Honestly I could probably reliably keep a tank doing small pulls alive with an even weaker weapon. Surprisingly gear may affect raw numbers but player skill it does not. I mean yeah it probably easy to say "oh his gear was low" but chances are so was his skill level.

Mhmm true am not gonna deny that, still even with a low skill level it wouldn't have been an issue using appropriate gear. Anyone can heal 1 trash pack at a time.

Not much can be done about people individual skill levels as that is something they have to learn themselves. Can do something about inappropriate gear coupled with this compunding the issue for anyone unfortunate enough to come into contact with these people.

[Miste]

They won't accept your point of view until it happens to them.

So people who say it's a non-issue clearly have never encountered this situation, or they have but it was dps and therefore acceptable.

Yeah that is definitely a recurring problem :/

Honestly I could probably reliably keep a tank doing small pulls alive with an even weaker weapon. Surprisingly gear may affect raw numbers but player skill it does not. I mean yeah it probably easy to say "oh his gear was low" but chances are so was his skill level.

Yeah I don't think anyone here who has experience playing this game decently often would deny that at all. Skill is a whole other can of worms though and not what the thread is about.

Player skill varies which is totally fine and the game cannot control it. The game can however control when players are allowed to queue for things and some gear situations (like ones I have pointed out) make it so the player cannot do their job in the content. If they can't do the job then why did the DF hire them so to speak?

If we wipe because of their gear, it'll be pretty obvious after the first or second wipe. Then we'll just replace them. Like really it's not that big a deal

Okay so you wiped a couple times. Around 20 mins of time used up.

So you find the problem and initiate a voke kick.

The vote kick doesn't pass.

Now what do you do?

[Narcotics]

So...the party you had happen to be able to carry the person who had the improper weapon then...but what if this happened and you didn't get through it with no issues? What if you wiped multiple times or are unable to clear due to the DF not properly screening gear... is it still a non-issue then too?

What would you do then?

If we wipe because of their gear, it'll be pretty obvious after the first or second wipe. Then we'll just replace them. Like really it's not that big a deal lol stuff happens. That's just life. Sometimes you get a dud in your party and sometimes it works out.

Do you consider the minimum ilvl we have in place babysitting aswell? (as a reminder: that minimum ilvl wasnt always a thing!)

To be honest, yes. Not that I really care that much since the ilvl requirements in MMOs are typically easy to reach but I've never been a fan of them. If they got rid of ilvls I can't say I'd complain.