[DEV Question] Why is this allowed?

[Reynhart]

I propose they have an AP/mAP requirement for all classes for all dungeons.

But since AP is directly tied to your main stat which is directly tied to your combat, it would change nothing for this particular situation.

On the other hand...it's not a big deal. In fact, I'm pretty sure you didn't realize after the clear, unless you take the time to check everybody's gear at the beginning of each duty.

And even if we weight the weapon a little more to calculate average ilvl, you'll see topics where "His body piece was really low" or "his head piece was out of date"

By that definition, if I /sit at the beginning of the raid and my group seven-mans it. It's perfectly acceptable, after all, they still cleared, right?

If someone sits at the beginning of the duty, will you go through it knowing that the person won't participate, get the clear and come here complaining ?

[seekified]

I think it'd be a good idea to make the mainhand iLvl requirement the same as the average gear iLvl requirement. That way, in this case you'd need to have a total average of i230 but also have at least a Lore/Nidhogg/Padjali weapon to enter.

They should also think about something similar for leveling dungeons, because I'm tired of being matched with GLDs who have level 10 wooden swords.

[CookieMonsta]

But since AP is directly tied to your main stat which is directly tied to your combat, it would change nothing for this particular situation.

On the other hand...it's not a big deal. In fact, I'm pretty sure you didn't realize after the clear, unless you take the time to check everybody's gear at the beginning of each duty.

And even if we weight the weapon a little more to calculate average ilvl, you'll see topics where "His body piece was really low" or "his head piece was out of date"

If someone sits at the beginning of the duty, will you go through it knowing that the person won't participate, get the clear and come here complaining ?

Yes but it would at least stop people from cheesing the requirement by using Caster accessories on a MNK etc etc.

[Reynhart]

Yes but it would at least stop people from cheesing the requirement by using Caster accessories on a MNK etc etc.

That's another point...Since jobs only have one main stat, it should be easy to restrict accessories to the corresponding job in the first place.
And to do the same with gatherer/crafter's gear.

[ErryK]

That's another point...Since jobs only have one main stat, it should be easy to restrict accessories to the corresponding job in the first place.
And to do the same with gatherer/crafter's gear.

The issue there is glamour/PvP, some fending accessories are BiS for a high-HP build of a DPS or a healer, so that you can survive a LB.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

If someone sits at the beginning of the duty, will you go through it knowing that the person won't participate, get the clear and come here complaining ?

No, but it's far easier to notice someone actively sitting compared to them having a massively inferior weapon. Nonetheless, the post I quoted defending the person on the basis of "you cleared." Thus, my response.

Seeing Miste did an actual test on just how significant a DPS loss having a weapon that weak is. Why shouldn't she bring attention to an obvious loophole? It's no different than people being allowed to queue into 60 content on classes. Just because you can doesn't me it isn't a flaw in the system design.

[Reynhart]

Seeing Miste did an actual test on just how significant a DPS loss having a weapon that weak is. Why shouldn't she bring attention to an obvious loophole?

Bringing attention to a loophole is a thing. Stating a solution for that loophole is another. And frankly, I still think the problem here is that the weapon is too important. For example, we all know that accessories cost less tome than little pieces or armor, which in turn cost less that big pieces. It's because accessories give the least stat and big armors give the most.

But, with such a huge emphasis put on weapons, we could end in situation where upgrading several pieces of armor would give you less DPS than the weapon alone, even tough the weapon is clearly "cheaper".

[Miste]

Bringing attention to a loophole is a thing. Stating a solution for that loophole is another.

Well, to be fair, I never said any of my ideas were perfect solutions that had to be heeded and in my first post I asked what other people's thoughts are as well.

I mean general discussion forum means to discuss general things so my topic was not only to get Dev attention about this but also to discuss the issue and possibly come up with solution ideas.

I found a problem so I pointed out the problem, but getting a discussion going by bouncing solution ideas off of the community will also get more people posting their ideas as well so we can, you know, work together to find solutions that would be good and to do what the forum is there for. Discuss.

So yeah I am unsure about what your issue is with people stating solution ideas. It does no harm and really doesn't seem like a bad thing to discuss with the community in my opinion.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Bringing attention to a loophole is a thing. Stating a solution for that loophole is another. And frankly, I still think the problem here is that the weapon is too important. For example, we all know that accessories cost less tome than little pieces or armor, which in turn cost less that big pieces. It's because accessories give the least stat and big armors give the most.

But, with such a huge emphasis put on weapons, we could end in situation where upgrading several pieces of armor would give you less DPS than the weapon alone, even tough the weapon is clearly "cheaper".

Why shouldn't the weapon be weighted heavily? It's intended to be our highest contributing damage boost. Making it more comparable to accessories seems silly. I, likewise, don't see why requiring people to have say ilvl 220 gear equipped to enter a ilvl 230 fight is an issue. Reducing gear weight just to accommodate people too lazy to properly upgrade is precisely why people don't. They already lack the incentive due to how easy content is. This only further diminishes it.

[RaijinSupreme]

Did yall clear?