[DEV Question] Why is this allowed?

[Miste]

Okay so I know the DF has rules in place for average item level in order to queue for specific content, but I find what I just saw to be very ridiculous in terms of what the DF will allow players to do.



In case you miss what I mean...basically this....

A9 Normal
Avg Item Level 230
BLM wearing an item level 110 Staff
120 item levels below the average stipulated for the content on the most important piece of gear.

Now yeah...obviously his other gear allows him to boost his item level to be able to queue, but the weapon is not only the most important piece because of Weapon Damage it also has the highest amount of stats of all pieces of gear.

So...idk what do others think? I personally think there needs to be a minimum item level for weapons so you cannot do this...like if a piece of content is avg item level 230 then maybe your weapon must be i200 at least or higher despite if your other pieces of gear are higher and allow you access.

Wearing a level 50 weapon into level 60 end game content is just not right at all.

Now it is possible he switched weapons inside the content, but this also should not be allowed...so maybe something can be done for the future? (Note: To clarify I meant that the game would still allow you to change gear, just not to something way below the item level for the duty)

Here is the quote of the explanation of what I meant, sorry I definitely was not clear enough with my words there :x

Like if you had on a i260 weapon and queued for a duty (avg ilevel 230), went in, then tried to switch to an i110 weapon the game would give an error message like "the item level you are trying to equip is too low for this duty"

But if you tried to equip any weapon say between the ranges of i150-i275 (since those are all level 60 weapons) it would let you change it just fine. IMO i150 is a bit generous for an avg i230 instance but it isn't as big of a problem as someone wearing a level 50 weapon in level 60 content.

PS. according to Lodestone this player has 7 level 60 jobs....so yeah that's sad to note since it is likely they knew what they were doing. :/

Edit:

Also since so many people are stuck on "you cleared and didn't wipe" I will provide more information that I had thought wasn't necessary because I didn't see how someone could possibly defend using a level 50 i110 weapon in level 60 content no matter if we "cleared" or not. Whether we cleared or not I have no issue with. My issue is finding this loophole in the DF system where someone can use a weapon extremely inappropriate for the duty.

The duty in question was an in progress queue at 32m for Eyes of Creator. 32m? They wiped. Possibly more than once even.

People eventually ditched and I got in progress on healer with half the party missing, but since I am patient I waited for it to fill and I don't usually scrutinize people's gear for no reason. They definitely wiped just some people got replaced and got people able to carry his low DPS including me since I had to DPS Faust on healer because we almost wiped and also DPS the adds too so we wouldn't wipe.

So I wasn't personally there for the wipes, but I am 99.9% sure they happened considering the large amount of time lapsed in the duty when I joined in progress.

Again I must reiterate that the speed of the run I have zero issue with. I really don't care that it took 4 minutes longer than usual or that I swear we almost hit enrage (if there is one). The thing I am pointing out is that this is badly designed.

With how SE designed gear in this game the Weapons are just too important to have someone doing level 60 end game content with a level 50 i110 weapon. Simple fact is they cannot do their role properly like that.

Also just some factual testing of why weapon is so important that the game should not allow what this BLM did...

I just used a level 50 i110 Staff (Laevateinn) on my BLM and tried to complete the SSS for Alexander Creator and I was unable to kill the dummy. I failed the SSS even though I only changed my weapon to i110. My damage was cut by roughly 50% just because I changed my staff from an i260 one to an i110. It actually even surprised ME that it was that much worse! I knew it was bad but even I underestimated how bad.

Rest of my gear was 7 i270 pieces, 2 i260 pieces, and 2 i250 pieces. My avg item level was i240 with the i110 staff on with the rest of my gear (still failed even tho my avg item level is 10 levels higher than minimum for Alex Creator normal all because of my weapon). For comparison my normal item level with my proper staff is i265.

[CGMidlander]

You still cleared didn't you? Gosh, stop being such an elitist.

/s

[bass9020]

You still cleared didn't you? Gosh, stop being such an elitist.

/s

It sets a bad standard for NEW players. Wow for once im worried for NEW players? What is wrong with me?!??!?!

[Mithrahn]

It sets a bad standard for NEW players. Wow for once im worried for NEW players? What is wrong with me?!??!?!

Not sure if sarcasm.
My sarcasm detector is broken.

...but the post you quoted had "/sarcasm"

[BHGlobbd]

Not sure if sarcasm.
My sarcasm detector is broken.

...but the post you quoted had "/sarcasm"

According to my thread, the majority of this community cant detect sarcasm :P

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

You still cleared didn't you? Gosh, stop being such an elitist.

/s

I'm sorry, I gotta shut this down right away.

There is nothing elitist about expecting someone to be properly prepared for content, and in a sensible manner.
Would you hire someone who came to an interview dressed to look the part, but lacking the skills/necessary knowledge to perform the job they're aiming for? If no, this is no different.

Fact is, even with all that gear, that weapon guaranteed he dealt damage well under par (also meaning that someone else had to perhaps do more to make up for it).

[Reynhart]

Would you hire someone who came to an interview dressed to look the part, but lacking the skills/necessary knowledge to perform the job they're aiming for? If no, this is no different.

Actually, this is completely different...in fact, it's the exact opposite. Would you hire someone having all the necessary skills/knowledge to perform the job but not dressed to look the part ?

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Actually, this is completely different...in fact, it's the exact opposite. Would you hire someone having all the necessary skills/knowledge to perform the job but not dressed to look the part ?

Okay, let's play that game. I'm gonna adapt what you just said to the game itself:
Would you stay in a party with someone who's effectively geared up to an above average degree, but cannot perform their job or rotations properly? Or would you take the guy that's maybe a bit below average gear level but can perform his job/rotations very well?

Simply put, are you implying gear = skill? Because we all know that's just not true.

1) It's Duty Finder

No. NO. NO. That mentality is a large part of the problem itself, and a terrible mindset to have. Savage raid or guildhest; if you're going to be part of a team, come prepared, do your part to the fullest. "It's just duty finder" is the reason why performance and expectations are so low. People expect the worst, so they give their worst. Imagine if the opposite were true; we'd all have better experiences in the DF.

[Reynhart]

Would you stay in a party with someone who's effectively geared up to an above average degree, but cannot perform their job or rotations properly? Or would you take the guy that's maybe a bit below average gear level but can perform his job/rotations very well?

The guy with below average gear (i.e., not properly "dressed")

But, I admit that I didn't expect such a huge gap of damage output against SSS while still staying above the required ilvl. But, for me, the problem should that weapon is too much important compared to other pieces.

It would be a fun experiment so test how low your weapon can get before you'd fail SSS, for the same average ilvl.

Step 2b. "I um don't have one."

Step 3: Wait for 15 minutes
Step 4:

Vote kick has been commenced.

[LineageRazor]

As was stated, the individual in this example most likely had the ARR relic equipped by mistake. And while it'd be great if the game took steps to prevent mistakes like this, it's not as though this is some kind of epidemic. Incidents like this are incredibly rare - this is the first time I've ever seen something like this, and you KNOW that if it was happening a lot folks on the forums would be in a froth about it.

A much more serious issue, I think, is that the game allows jobs to equip inappropriate accessories. I suppose it's a thing so that folks learning new content can equip VIT accessories for the extra survivability - but I don't think they're often used that way. Instead, folks equip inappropriate accessories either because they're new to the game and think having diverse stats is a good thing, or they are using them to meet ilvl requirements on a secondary job without having to shell out for additional gear. Both of those situations should be discouraged.

I'm sorry, I gotta shut this down right away.

See the /s at the end of the post you quoted and responded to? That stands for /sarcasm. The person you quoted does not actually believe what they wrote, and was being sarcastic.